Do you really need shrink wrap ?

Anchor Management

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I have shrink wrapped every boat I have owned. Live in the NE and see some boats stay in the water and some on land with no covering and have never heard of an issue aside from getting a little dirtier than the covered boats. So the question is.... Does it really matter or are we just being over protective?
 
My boat's 21 years old and still looks like new. I think it's the shrink wrap.
 
Pay attention to how the shrink-wrap guy frames the boat. Do that and use a decent tarp, and vent the hell out of it. Depending on what you're paying for shrink-wrap, you'll probably only be saving a hundred bucks or so a season.
 
When I bought my boat 7 years ago, I had Patino make me a winter cover. It has more than paid for itself over the years as opposed to shrink wrap. I leave my boat in the water. Winterize it and put the cover up, done. Also gives me the opportunity to go on and off all winter to work on little projects. Take a look, I am at the end of the main dock. There is also a 48 Silverton there with the same cover made by Patino.
 
I think that if you don't cover the boat one way or another, you risk water intrusion and freeze damage. It doesn't take much of an unknown opening for water to get in.
 
I bought a $75 silver tarp 12 years ago when I bought my boat. I built a reusable wooden frame at the same time. The only expense I have each year is an $18 roll of 20 inch stretch wrap I use to help secure the tarp (after I secure the tarp with lines, I wrap the stretch wrap around the boat 5-8 times to keep it tight and from flapping in the wind) I can't imagine what the cost of 12 years of shrink-wrapping would have cost.
 
Think water.
Think frozen.
Think expansion
Basically if it gets into a crack it will make crack wider.
Small investment to protect and expensive one.
Not a fan of tarps or covers.
I don't see the payback and have never seen a tarp last a full winter.
Add in building the frame and what not.
I like wrap. $500 to do my 40'.
Can wrap 6 years plus before a cover pays for itself and I don't lift a finger.
Don't keep boats that long to make cover worth it.
 
12 years with the silver tarp and it has no tears or holes; still completely protects the boat each winter. I attribute it to the stretch wrap I use which holds it tight against the hull and prevents flapping which is what destroys them I believe. This is my experience.
 
I've seen guys remove the shrink wrap and frame work .....and use it again the next winter ...cuts cost in 1/2
 
For years I had my boats stored inside. No heat but out of the elements. Put a Home Depot tarp over just to keep dust and bird poop off. Unfortunately this boat will not fit. I'm sure I will continue to shrink wrap but sometimes I get to thinking. I do see some out in the elements. I believe I pay over a grand to have it wrapped so if an occasional repair needed to be done, it would probably be worth it. Again, not going to but sometimes it seems crazy to cover for that much. I have never considered having a permanent tarp made because I usually don't keep boats long enough for the payback.
 
Agree about silver tarps. Used one over a PVC frame for 4 or 5 years. Tied it down tight so no flapping. Might go back to that instead of shrink wrap.
 
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Originally posted by CurrentSea

Think water.
Think frozen.
Think expansion
Basically if it gets into a crack it will make crack wider.






That is the theory behind wrapping the boat.
But with that said, I see many big boats in my marina that year after year, they never wrap the boat or put a tarp up.

It does kill me to spend the money on shrink wrap, but I guess better safe than sorry.
 
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Originally posted by walterv

quote:

Originally posted by CurrentSea

Think water.
Think frozen.
Think expansion
Basically if it gets into a crack it will make crack wider.






That is the theory behind wrapping the boat.
But with that said, I see many big boats in my marina that year after year, they never wrap the boat or put a tarp up.

It does kill me to spend the money on shrink wrap, but I guess better safe than sorry.








That's exactly my point Walter. Makes you wonder.....
 
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Originally posted by Anchor Management

For years I had my boats stored inside. No heat but out of the elements. Put a Home Depot tarp over just to keep dust and bird poop off. Unfortunately this boat will not fit. I'm sure I will continue to shrink wrap but sometimes I get to thinking. I do see some out in the elements. I believe I pay over a grand to have it wrapped so if an occasional repair needed to be done, it would probably be worth it. Again, not going to but sometimes it seems crazy to cover for that much. I have never considered having a permanent tarp made because I usually don't keep boats long enough for the payback.






I've never seen a tarp survive it's second season, even framed properly.

Insight from someone that moonlighted winterizing and shrink-wrapping boats for many years until I moved out west and, to be immodest, was really good at it:

If your boat is a 52' SeaRay, it's going to be ludicrously expensive for an independent guy. A boatyard will give you a straight rate on it, but that's the kind of boat I'd quote an "I really, really don't want this job" price on. The taller the boat and the more structure, the (exponentially) harder it gets. A trailered boat, or even a small one on stands, that I can work from ground level, I can do fast and not worry about getting knocked off a ladder or staging when a sight gust catches the plastic. I don't have to juggle enormous pieces of plastic trying to keep them from touching the ground. One of the boatyards that I had a contract with had a few Grand Banks. Had to have them hang me from a crane to do most of the boat. It sucked. Absolutely hated it, but the easy boats made up enough of the contract I'd suck it up.

My favorite jobs were the handful of small, less profitable ones, where the owners wanted it done as cheap as possible - but they were the GOOD kind of make-it-cheap customers. NOT the kind that told me exactly what they wanted and nothing more, but the ones that ASKED me what exactly they could do to make it cheaper. If they moved the boat to the middle of a driveway, put up the framing the way I marked it the year before, and have it completely ready to go, I could belly band it, pull plastic, trim and tuck, seam, tie down, and shrink it without even bothering to shut my truck down. 16-24 foot trailer boat like that could be done in 15 minutes or so for a few bucks a foot.

A sailboat where I need stands, pull lines, ladders and planks, lots of framing and padding, up and down ladders (and up and down and up and down once I'm at the point where I can't just hang on and move the ladder over with my feet) - it sucks. Especially when the mast is still stepped. $5'ft minimum for favorite customers (read: nice people), ten a foot minimum if the mast is still stepped.

A 52' SeaRay is about as difficult as it gets. Even a Banks is easier (enough structure to create enough 'natural' angles). Lot of solid framing and padding forward, death trap to cut proper vents (stick on vents are garbage, cut a rectangle, cover with tape, diagonal slits in tape, squeeze the 'slats' together, tape eyebrow over it). You have a low angle and have to lean way in, and of you fall, not only does your ladder kick out so you're falling off the boat, which sucks, but you'll probably wreck about $50-$100 worth of plastic and a few hours of labor. And an independent guy is probably not carrying much 34x, mainly 20 and 24 by.

My customer base was loyal repeat customers and friends of in short order, but they got that way because I did what I said, when I said I would, did it well, and did it as inexpensively as possible. But a boat like yours - even a fair quote, not a "I really really really don't want this job because I'll make more doing three easier boats in the same timeframe" price would probably be close to a grand. You're looking at 65-75 feet of plastic, probably at least 32' x, at cost 5 years or so ago would probably be close to $2/ft, framing, padding, strapping another $50-$100, all told in the neighborhood of $250-$300 in consumables. You're not doing a boat like that solo unless you're suicidal, so you're looking at another $15/hr for a helper that knows what they're doing, so consumables and labor you're up to about $400. The remaining $5-600 would be eaten up in time, aggravation, gas, propane, wear and tear, and more profitable time lost, disposal of plastic in the spring, making the job only worth a few hundred in profit.

Now that I think about it...materials costs what they were when I stopped doing it, I'd have probably done that boat for right around, maybe a bit under a grand, first year. Slightly less next year.

If you've got the time and someone to help you learn to do it, you'd probably be ahead of the game by year two doing it yourself. Shrinkfast 998 (don't even bother entertaining anything else) will set you back $5-600, plastic probably a couple hundred after shipping.
 
Going with nothing but the canvas up and enclosed isn't a bad idea, as long as you don't get a lot of snow and ice. But living in NY, that isn't reality. If I lived south of DC or so, I'd probably go that way.
I used tarps years ago (80's). Once I made the frame, it was easy to assemble and take apart each year. Storing it was a pain in the butt though. The tarps never lasted more than one season, and they had to be checked regularly throughout the winter. It took some skill with properly placed carpet scraps to make sure they didn't rub through and rip over the winter. Going in and out of the boat wasn't an option.
Too much of a PIA for me.
I like shrinkwrap. Well worth the money IMO.
The only thing I don't like about it is the moisture that builds up under there, even with the vents.
But with the use of small fans, calcium chloride, etc., I work around it.
Being a chronic tinkerer, I like being able to go in and out of the boat through the zippered door all winter too. If I lived on the water, and the boat was in my yard, I'd probably try to leave the zippered door open as much as I could on nice days to help combat the moisture.
My shrinkwrap guy is backed up this year, and hasn't gotten to me yet. That's a good thing this year. I've been able to take advantage of the unusually warm weather to get some upholstery work done, and some other winter projects out of the way, without having to squeeze my tired old butt through that door. The boat is nice and bone dry too.
I'm hoping he gets to me this week though, because I know the storms and frigid temperatures can't be far away.
 
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Originally posted by JVM225

Going with nothing but the canvas up and enclosed isn't a bad idea, as long as you don't get a lot of snow and ice. But living in NY, that isn't reality. If I lived south of DC or so, I'd probably go that way.
I used tarps years ago (80's). Once I made the frame, it was easy to assemble and take apart each year. Storing it was a pain in the butt though. The tarps never lasted more than one season, and they had to be checked regularly throughout the winter. It took some skill with properly placed carpet scraps to make sure they didn't rub through and rip over the winter. Going in and out of the boat wasn't an option.
Too much of a PIA for me.
I like shrinkwrap. Well worth the money IMO.
The only thing I don't like about it is the moisture that builds up under there, even with the vents.
But with the use of small fans, calcium chloride, etc., I work around it.
Being a chronic tinkerer, I like being able to go in and out of the boat through the zippered door all winter too. If I lived on the water, and the boat was in my yard, I'd probably try to leave the zippered door open as much as I could on nice days to help combat the moisture.
My shrinkwrap guy is backed up this year, and hasn't gotten to me yet. That's a good thing this year. I've been able to take advantage of the unusually warm weather to get some upholstery work done, and some other winter projects out of the way, without having to squeeze my tired old butt through that door. The boat is nice and bone dry too.
I'm hoping he gets to me this week though, because I know the storms and frigid temperatures can't be far away.






If he's cutting good vents and it's still not enough, ask him to tape a second door (don't cut behind it until you're going to actually use it). Shouldn't cost more than another $10-20 for a new door, but he's probably reusing doors that are still intact. No reason at all not to. Still going to cost a few bucks, though, since 4" tape isn't cheap, and 2" will probably cause pulls on a large surface (and is also not cheap).

Opening two doors on a nice day to air it out is WAY better than one door.
 
The winter fishing is nice down in da South.. While you might not wish to come all the way to the Gulf Coast od MS, you might price winter storage ( or maybe even an active use slip ) in an area where shrink wrap is not required. It might cost a bit more, but you might also get some use out of the boat and be able to investigate a new stomping ground. At least, this is worth considering.

( I am SO glad I never had this particular problem )
 
I use the Kover Klamp system, after the first year of constructing (bending and cutting conduit), it take me a couple of hours to put it up. I then use a tarp from Harbor Freight ($120) that covers the entire boat. I throw the tarp out in the spring and buy a new one each fall. It takes a couple of hours in the spring to take it down. Paying $800 to shrink wrap it for a couple of months makes no sense to me. One year, the guy didn't wrap it until December, and I took it off in early March...
 
Tarped the previous boat for 12 years, always got at least 5 years from the white tarps. We got this boat and decided we weren`t going to "cheap out" any more and did shrink wrap for 3 seasons....between waiting for the guys to get to it and a real bad moisture situation one spring I went back to tarping. A real simple, reusable frame, upright system and plenty of tie downs works for me.
 
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