Duck Boat....Again (sigh)

My question is; did the captain have the passengers don jackets as soon as conditions started going south?
 
the "boat" does not look sea worthy in photos of other ones ......bow heavy ? under powered?...would more people survived if they had abandoned ship with a commercial PFD on??
 
I have no idea how they get COI’s without weather stipulations. Or maybe they do. Or maybe that’s not even a thing - I’m not too up on the sub chapter T boats. I would think they could impose limitations for weather conditions either directly or require it in the Safety Management Systems. I’m curious about it, I’ll look into it when i have a few minutes. This particular incident was, in my own personal opinion, a result of extreme gross negligence. NO EXCUSE for that thin to have been underway in that wx.
 
I agree and nowadays you have nearly live weather radar in your pocket. There is no excuse to endanger your passengers by getting caught in a squall.

I wouldn’t be surprised if it turned out that passengers rushed to one side to stay dry...
 
I bring up the case of the C-46 because like Ducks, they were developed in WWII, there are a bunch of them and like Ducks they are not passenger worthy. The FAA came up with a whole series of regulations that made it so expensive to modify for passenger use they only had value hauling boxes. Something similar needs to happen here to get these things off the water in for hire operations.
 
The "duck boats" they are using are not WWII surplus (they're too expensive). They are purpose built and use a standard Merc I/O for propulsion. The problem is they need large wheels which raise them up pretty high and then they try to minimize the freeboard so passengers don't need to climb so high up. It looks like they also had plastic curtains which would have been problem in a quick evacuation.
 
The ones in this area have large rubber air bladders on each side that inflate as they enter the water.
 
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Originally posted by mdoherty

The "duck boats" they are using are not WWII surplus (they're too expensive). They are purpose built and use a standard Merc I/O for propulsion. The problem is they need large wheels which raise them up pretty high and then they try to minimize the freeboard so passengers don't need to climb so high up. It looks like they also had plastic curtains which would have been problem in a quick evacuation.

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Yes I have seen those some have Konrad drives as well. I still however see original units being used. None of these designs are good, (sort of like flying cars) and the additions of roofs and curtains just turn them into coffins with diminutive freeboard.
 
How could there be "No Information" as to whether passengers were wearing PFDs after pulling all those bodies out of the water and interviewing the others?? I am no fan of so many frivolous law suits being filed, but in this case they would be justified. Especially after a 40 minute warning of damaging thunder storms approaching.
Ron
 
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/07/20/missouri-duck-boat-survivor-claims-captain-told-passengers-wouldnt-need-life-jackets-report-says.html
 
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Originally posted by GeeBee

I bring up the case of the C-46 because like Ducks, they were developed in WWII, there are a bunch of them and like Ducks they are not passenger worthy. The FAA came up with a whole series of regulations that made it so expensive to modify for passenger use they only had value hauling boxes. Something similar needs to happen here to get these things off the water in for hire operations.

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They Made not have been passenger worthy, but they were used as passenger aircraft into the 1960's. Many were operated by Air America. I have ridden on one back in the early 1060's.

Some were even used by airlines in the US for a period after the war.

One of the big problems those Duck boats have is when there is a canopy on the top. That restricts passengers leaving the sinking boat. That problem was even worse for those who had a life preserver.

George
 
I believe the c-47 (dc3) was most likely the passenger version that was an improvement over the c-46.
 
No the C47/DC3was a complelty different plane from the C46. Different manufacturers to start with
 
Grieves me when we do the predictable then are dismayed when it happens.

Wasn't c46 a Curtiss and c47 a Douglas?7
 
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Originally posted by GeeBee

I bring up the case of the C-46 because like Ducks, they were developed in WWII, there are a bunch of them and like Ducks they are not passenger worthy. The FAA came up with a whole series of regulations that made it so expensive to modify for passenger use they only had value hauling boxes. Something similar needs to happen here to get these things off the water in for hire operations.

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They Made not have been passenger worthy, but they were used as passenger aircraft into the 1960's. Many were operated by Air America. I have ridden on one back in the early 1060's.

Some were even used by airlines in the US for a period after the war.

One of the big problems those Duck boats have is when there is a canopy on the top. That restricts passengers leaving the sinking boat. That problem was even worse for those who had a life preserver.

George

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Air America did not have FAA operation specifications. Guess why.
 
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Originally posted by GeeBee

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Originally posted by gcolton

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Originally posted by GeeBee

I bring up the case of the C-46 because like Ducks, they were developed in WWII, there are a bunch of them and like Ducks they are not passenger worthy. The FAA came up with a whole series of regulations that made it so expensive to modify for passenger use they only had value hauling boxes. Something similar needs to happen here to get these things off the water in for hire operations.

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They Made not have been passenger worthy, but they were used as passenger aircraft into the 1960's. Many were operated by Air America. I have ridden on one back in the early 1060's.

Some were even used by airlines in the US for a period after the war.

One of the big problems those Duck boats have is when there is a canopy on the top. That restricts passengers leaving the sinking boat. That problem was even worse for those who had a life preserver.

George

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Air America did not have FAA operation specifications. Guess why.

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Did Air America actually ever carry legit commercial pax or cargo, or was it solely for shady.gov flights?
 
You can't do legit if you have no ops specs. That was what Southern Air Transport was for.
 
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