EPIRB options

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I'm a Lake Michigan boater who does a lot of crossings, probably cross the lake 15 - 20 times per season. A good portion of that crossing is out of VHF range so I feel it would be prudent to add an EPIRB to my safety inventory. In looking at them it appears there are two basic decisions to be made, with GPS or without and manual vs water activation. I'm inclined to think water activation is a very good idea but I'm having a harder time deciding about GPS. Does anyone have a feel for how accurate the triangulation capabilities are without GPS? I have to imagine they're reasonably good as otherwise the system wouldn't be very successful but I don't want to make assumptions that would make an already bad day worse.

Thoughts?
Thanks
Ben
 
I went with GPS enabled units personally. The price difference was minimal for the benefits. If I remember my research correctly, a GPS enabled unit is going transmit your location faster and more accurately than a non-GPS enabled unit.
 
GPS definitely.Every minute counts. I guarantee you if you find yourself needing it, you will not be saying to yourself as you wait for help "gee I sure am glad a saved that money by buying the non GPS model". A true EPIRB (as opposed to a PLB) will activate when released from its mount and water contact is made. That mount release can be manual, or automatic. "Automatic" typically means when the unit is 10 feet underwater; so I went with the manual unit, which I keep adjacent to our life raft. The automatics can also be deployed manually, but it takes slightly more doing.

George
Hatteras 56MY
Boston Whaler 130 Sport
 
One with an internal GPS. The reason is fairly obvious: the internal GPS will continuously update the location of where it is right now, vs sending the "last known location". The whole point is having an EPIRB in the first place is to get rescued rapidly. Odds are, if I had to go into the drink, I an a) possibly injured, b) likely cold, and c) definitely ready to go home. Every minute counts. For the price of a lousy movie and a bag of popcorn, you do not need to wait for the rescuers to set up and follow through on a search pattern. The gap between "last known position, and current position can increase rapidly, and each time you double the distance, you square the search area ( or is it cube the area. I fergot. ) Speed is important.
 
I carry two. I have a hand held unit with GPS but manual activation and have an auto activate unit which needs to be replaced as it does not work properly anymore. I keep the auto unit mounted on the flybridge and the hand held is in the ditch bag so any time I am on a longer dinghy trip or evacuate in emergency it is ready to go. We keep the ditch bag on the flybridge next to the life raft whenever we are on an ocean passage or well out of site of land.

I am re-placing my auto unit with another auto activate unit with GPS. If I am crossing the gulf stream or 50 miles offshore of NC and something goes wrong, you will be drifting and it seems to be essential to have a proper EPIRB with GPS.

Rick
Viking Sport Cruiser 50FY
 
Yep, get the unit with the built in GPS. It significantly improves the ability of rescue teams to zoom in on your location quickly.
 
GPS enabled units are the only way to go. We carry 2 one in the sslon the other in the bridge at the helm.
Bill
 
Sounds like everyone is in agreement that GPS is a must have. Would others feel as strongly about auto-deployment? I started out pretty sure I wanted auto-deployment but not as sure about GPS. Now it sounds like I should be pretty sure about GPS... how about auto-deployment?

Ben
 
Personally, I opted for the manuel deploy. Two lines of thought:
1) As I recall the auto only deploys after the boat is under water. If the EPIRB is on the bridge which is the last part to go under water activation is delayed far too long for my liking. So, I put it on my check list to do.

2) I'd rather have to deploy it myself so I know for sure it is actually deployed and activated.

I guess there are lots of pro's and con's for both. But in a salt water environment far too many things fail. So, I'd rather keep it simple and went with the manuel release.

Hopefully, neither one will have to ever be used.

Bob
 
Can’t most/all auto deploy units also be manually activated?
 
Seems like everyone has it straight, but just to emphasize for the benefit of those browsing this topic:

Automatic deployment and automatic activation are two separate and distinct 'mechanisms', if you will.

Automatic deployment means the bracket which holds the EPIRB has a hydrostatic release mechanism similar to those commonly found on liferafts. When the boat submerges to a certain point, the mechanism should release the EPIRB from it's bracket. If it's unobstructed and unhindered, it should then float to the surface and ping away. ALL such brackets can also be manually released, though they can be a bit tricky to put the EPIRB back in the bracket after inspecting them on many models.

Automatic activation refers to a particular EPIRB's capability to activate and begin transmitting when it's in water. It's not a hydrostatic thing, but usually accomplished by continuity between two of the case screws. These are fairly sensitive - I've been called on the radio to check my EPIRB, turned around, and sure enough, the light was flashing and it was transmitting away. The switch on the top was still in the secured position, but it had been taking enough of a soaking in the 5 minutes that the boat had been underway for it to activate. 5 minutes for it to energize, ping satellites, go back to the ground station and LUT, from there to USMCC in Suitland, Maryland, from there to CG D-1 in Boston, from there to the appropriate Group (now Sector), from there to the appropriate Station, from there to the boat.
I've also chased these all around the harbor because they were stowed improperly and water sloshed over them. On most, if not all models, once they're activated, they're activated. Can't just shut them off like a radio. You have to disassemble and remove the battery.
Worth noting, though, is that ALL automatically activated EPIRBs ARE capable of being manually activated, and all current models will give some visual indication that they are transmitting. Many also have a strobe which, while it isn't the greatest strobe in the world, is better than nothing. I can't overemphasize the utility of a "high intensity white light flashing at regular intervals from 50-70 times per minute". Persons in the water are very hard to find at night. High intensity strobes in the water are hard to ignore at night.

So, the modern 406MHz EPIRB itself. Four features that help you get found:

-Composite signal on 406.025MHz. This signal broadcasts a hex number to satellite(s) in the COSPAS-SARSAT constellation, and to equipment piggybacked on other LEOS/GEOS satellites. Satellites send it to Earth, computers figure out positioning data, SAR Controller looks at registration info (REGISTER YOUR EPIRB! It needs to be shouted again - REGISTER YOUR EPIRB!), can't verify vsl is safely in port, launches appropriate resources to the last known position, or to a commence search point.
-121.5MHz signal. That's right! 121.5 didn't really go away. What went away was the EPIRB's that only transmitted on 121.5. Modern 406's primarily transmit their composite signal on 406.025, but also transmit a low powered signal on 121.5 to allow for final radio direction finding. Really, really cool feature.
-GPS enabled, akca GPIRBs. These include positioning data in their own 406MHz transmission. This provides for two sources of positioning data, or in the case of some EPIRB transmissions that can't be immediately positioned, faster positioning data.
-Strobe lights. Not the brightest and best, but a lot of EPIRBS do have a strobe light. Better than nothing.

So, the EPIRB tells you that you need to be searched for, who you are, and who might be able to rule out/rule in that you're actually underway, and where you are. The boat has a DF set to 121.5 and looks for the signal en route to the position from the EPIRB (either resolved by the satellite and computer magic, or by the position encoded in the transmission). Boat picks up that signal and steers a few degrees off of it (you don't want to steer directly at potential persons in the water - it could do great harm to them). Boat crew sees strobe lighting up half the sky (because someone has real strobe lights in addition to the one on the EPIRB). People get picked up. People dry off and go home. Hours upon hours of paperwork ensue for all parties involved.
 
Great info Mike
To add to your double shout:
https://beaconregistration.noaa.gov/rgdb/

I asumed you guys get the Additional Data info, is that correct? I would think it would be helpful

Mine right now is:
Additional Data 50' Cruisers sedan bridge, white hull, Diesel powered, boat named Scantastic, most often 1 male, 1 female & 1 dog.
 
As far as I know, they get all of the information on the form. I basically just get "go here, find this", along with whatever other information that would help in going there and finding that. I'm fairly sure that the Rescue Coordination Centers have ALL of the registration information, though.
 
In addition after you register the EPIRBs you get a sticker that must be placed on the EPIRB (or PLB). They must be renewed every 2 years. You are also required to have the paperwork onboard. It's cake just do it on line (NOAA) the same with PLBs. Our PLB's are also GPS enabled. However my 1st choice would be to grab the EPIRB. My wife and I have the PLB's attached to our Mustang vests, along with small strobes.
Bill
 
AS ugly as Lake Michigan can get in a very short period of time, if you need the Coasties the quicker the better. Get the GPS
 
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