Exhaust manifold gone...replace both?

It'd be a shame to get rid of those manifolds. I would JB them and save the expense of a new set. Plus, it wouldn't take much time at all to JB weld them.

One of my fishing buddies uses PM motors. This is his second one. The first went 20 years in salt until a rod went thru the block. I think the 351 is a superior marine engine compared to the GM 350. They get much better mileage.
 
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Originally posted by jtybt15

It'd be a shame to get rid of those manifolds. I would JB them and save the expense of a new set. Plus, it wouldn't take much time at all to JB weld them.





I had already jumped off the ledge and ordered the manifolds. You, and one other thing that hit me right after I ordered pushed me back up on the cliff. A college buddy that lives in L.A. is going to be on the gulf coast this weekend and has the itch to go fishing. Who am I to argue with that. :D So I won't be in a hurry to get the boat fixed this weekend. I emailed the vendor and cancelled the manifold order but asked them to send the riser gaskets, easy drains, and one manifold gasket on.

Either I, or my machinist will open up the plug hole just enough so that the brass easy drain can barely slide in. Then slather JB weld on the Easy Drain and the plug hole, put them together and hope for the best. I think it's worth a shot.

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One of my fishing buddies uses PM motors. This is his second one. The first went 20 years in salt until a rod went thru the block. I think the 351 is a superior marine engine compared to the GM 350. They get much better mileage.






I can attest to the mileage. One trip I ran 34 miles round trip to see some boat races with 6 passengers aboard. Ran the engine at 3200rpm for 33mph both ways. I had maybe 30 minutes tine spent idling at the races. I ended up averaging just over 3mpg for that trip. I can in no way complain about that.
 
You might try making your own thread chaser out of a tapered thread steel fitting of correct size on which you have used a Dremel disc to cut multiple slots perpendicular across the threads. Then pile on some thin oil and crank it in and out a tiny bit at a time and check to see if it's improving with a little help from a shop vac. Since those are tapered threads If... you can get them cleaned up enough to hold the final bronze(?) hose barb adapter securely it should seal OK with a little added hi-temp pipe sealant. It might just be a little farther in the taper.

But as Charlie suggests, permanently JBWelding-in the adapter fitting may be the only good solution short of replacement if there is just no hope for the threads.
 
I will try to repair the threads with a tap before hogging them out for the all-in JB weld solution. I just bought a tap on fleabay and it appears to be short enough to fit. $12.41 is probably less than what the machinist would charge me anyways. It'll be here tuesday and I'll give it a shot next weekend.

Thanks again to everyone for your input.
 
You need a bottoming tap. It has no taper. The threads are full size to the end. You could make one by grinding the taper off the tap you got.
 
In my opinion the Pleasurecraft 302 and 351 were some of the best marine engines made. We had a 302 in our '79 Correct Craft - when I sold it in 1990 with 2000hrs for MORE than my father paid for it in 1979 it still ran perfect, only issue we had was a carb rebuild. It still had the original manifolds and risers. I have always boated in freshwater and I have never replaced a riser or manifold. Now, that said, in your case your are having a problem and 1. since you already have risers and 2. that is a great boat and irreplaceable engine I would 3. pony up and replace everything - that boat is a keeper! If you were not seeing the problem with the plug I would say keep boating, but the $80-$100k a new boat like that costs would make me replace the manifolds.
 
The hole is 3/4 Taper pipe. Get a taper pipe tap and tap the hole out deeper. If you hit a wall with the tap, grind some off the end.
 
Well my tap came in the mail today. Looks like only the first four threads are tapered so I'm hoping I can get the hole cleaned up without it bottoming out. I'll give it a shot after work today.
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Here's one of the petcocks I'll be using.
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Wow, I didn't know thay had drain plugs that big on the manifolds.

Pipe threads are tapered. The tap is tapered at the beginning so it'll start easier. Bottoming taps have very short or no starting taper cuz they usually go into a blind hole...a hole with a bottom.

Are we becoming X rated??
 
VICTORY! You're right Charlie. The slight taper at the end was just enough to get the tap started straight and clean up those first few threads that were stopping the plug before.
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The plug now goes in cleanly and stops just like it should.
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I didn't put the petcocks on yet because I didn't have a wrench big enough to fit it.
Charlie, the plug is that size because the manifolds are reversible from left to right. Cooling water is fed to the manifold through a 90 degree hose barb screwed into the 3/4" hole in the front of the manifold and the plug goes in the back.

I'll probably clean up the hole in the other manifold so the new petcock had good threads to bite into. I'll try to get it buttoned up this weekend, but looks like rain will keep me off the water.

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Originally posted by BillK

In my opinion the Pleasurecraft 302 and 351 were some of the best marine engines made. We had a 302 in our '79 Correct Craft - when I sold it in 1990 with 2000hrs for MORE than my father paid for it in 1979 it still ran perfect, only issue we had was a carb rebuild. It still had the original manifolds and risers. I have always boated in freshwater and I have never replaced a riser or manifold. Now, that said, in your case your are having a problem and 1. since you already have risers and 2. that is a great boat and irreplaceable engine I would 3. pony up and replace everything - that boat is a keeper! If you were not seeing the problem with the plug I would say keep boating, but the $80-$100k a new boat like that costs would make me replace the manifolds.






BillK you'll get no argument from me there. I am most definitely not a Ford guy. I've driven GM vehicles for most of my life. That being said, I am so impressed with how good of a marine motor the 351W is and am equally impressed with PCM's marinization parts.

I've been equally impressed with the build quality of this Supra. While tied to a dock, the boat took a hit on the starboard side from a PWC that had to be going at least 10mph. No structural damage whatsoever. She is a tough cookie:
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The only reason that side was still caved in in the picture is because it pulled out the screws underneath the rubrail.

I may end up having other boats in my lifetime, but there is no way this boat will ever be sold. About 10 years ago, the colored gelcote was badly faded on the right side from being stored year-round in the sun. After many years of wet-sanding and buffing I gave in and had the red parts of it painted. Best thing I ever did and it still looks great to this day.
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Thanks again to everyone here for their advice. I will renew my anchor and try to come around more as a show of my appreciation.
 
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