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Who provides your flood insurance? Do you know how much it costs to get a elevation certificate, and how I could get one? Are there local companies that do this?

I bought a house in Amity Harbor on the water, i'm really looking forward to living in a waterfront home, and keeping my boat right there!

Thanks,
Dan
 
We have State Farm for our homeowner's insurance and also got our flood through them. We paid about $350 for a surveyor/elevation certificate about 6 years ago and, if I remember correctly, we used John Robinson in Massapequa Park. Had I known about elevation certificates years before I could've saved a bundle! Go for it!
 
Dan.........Congrats on your new waterfront home !!!!! Your gunna love living on the water.
 
There are several companies that provide flood, but they all charge the same amount based on your elevation and coverage level, so it doesn't matter what company you use. The federal government sets the prices, there is no competition. If you have an agent arranging your homeowners coverage, I'd suggest just letting them pick someone so you have one stop shopping.

You may find the HO coverage is the tougher nut right now, with all the insurance companies panicked about hurricanes. My insurer went belly up last year and I had to get a new policy, and I ended up paying 40% more than I had been paying because an 'excess carrier' is the only one who would touch waterfront. You might also get into a squeeze play between your bank and the insurance company, if you are taking a mortgage. Banks want to see low deductibles, but insurers are offering high windstorm deductibles. There's some negotiation that might have to happen there.

Another important point about flood insurance, one which my former agent never bothered to tell me about, which is why they are former: The maximum coverage available is 250k. Which is probably more than a flood loss you would have, so it's likely to be enough, even though your house is costing you more than that I'm sure. But you need to make sure you buy that maximum value, and if they raise the maximum, you raise with it. Because there is a provision in the flood program that says, if your house is insured for less than it's value and/or the maximum coverage available, the amount by which it is lower than that becomes an additional deductible which comes off of any loss, up front. In my case, the maximum had risen as well as my property value since I bought my house (I bought before the recent run up in prices) and I had only 215k in flood coverage, not realizing I needed to keep up with it. Suddenly I come to learn that the first 35k of any flood loss would have come out of my pocket because I was not fully insured. Now I have the max coverage and I have an agent who takes the time to keep track of such things for me.

If you are looking for a good agent, I use Sutton Agency in Islip. They understand waterfront issues, and they keep on top of things. They get all my insurance business now.

On the flood elevations, I've been told any good surveyor can handle that. There's one in Amityville named Harold Bausch whom everybody seems to use. However I understand the flood maps were revised a few years ago, and not revised for the better, so it may be tough to get some of the savings you hear people talk about. Good luck.

You are smart to get out in front on the insurance issues, well before you close.

Living on the water is great. There are a few hassles and insurance is a big one, but for me it's still worth it by a long shot.
 
I used John Robinson in Massapequa Park as well. we just did it a few months ago. It was around $800. Talk with some of your neighbors to see if they had it done. While you just cant eyeball, and see who's house is higher, you can get an idea of where your house should be. To get the discount my house had to be 8ft higher than the mean high tide mark ( i believe its the high tide mark) my house was only 5.9 feet above . i'm not getting the discount. i pay around $1400 for flood insurance. if i recieved the discount i would be paying around $800, so the survey pays for itself if the house is high enough. its the lowest living level that has to meet the mark. garages dont count. i'm going to jack my deductable up after we are here a year, so that will save me a few bucks. check out FEMA.gov, you can learn alot. FEMA also has the rates on that site. my last house qualified for the discount, so it hurts a bit not getting it this time. RONP is right, ask alot of questions, and read all you can . Along the same lines, once you get Homeowners insurance YOU CAN NEVER USE IT!!! The insurance companies dont want to write policies for coastal properties. They will cancel you in a heart beat. I had allstate for homeowners, flood and auto. never had a claim. i was originally told that they would write the new policy because i was an existing customer. NOPE! they just arent writing on long island anymore. It sucks, but if your storm door blows off, you are better off paying out of pocket. If the "big " storm comes you are better off having insurance from an accredited company licensed by new york state. if you get cancelled a couple of times, you'll wind up only getting insurance from a company not licensed by the state. good luck
 
USAA, they've always been great. We got our elevation from the county tax records.
 
We use Allstate Flood Ins. for the past 10 years.....never put in a claim yet.
 
The United States Government is the sole provider of flood coverage through the National Flood Insurance Program. Individual companies sell you the policy through the "write your own" program, but it is Uncle Sam that bankrolls the the whole show. Your flood insurance premium is based on the elevation of your home (higher is better) and its proximity to the coast line. Your community should have what is known as the Base Flood Elevation, that is why a Elevation Certificate from a licensed Land Surveyor is important. The BFE is the minimum height above datum that your home can be and still be included in the National Flood Insurance Program. The more freeboard you have above the BFE, the lower your flood insurance cost will be. If you are located in an area that is subject to breaking seas (beachfront) then the premium will be higher that some homeowner that is located on a back bay or river. Never purchase your flood coverage from the same company that sells you your homeowner's policy. When the manure hits the fan and your home is gone, you do not want one provider calling all the shots. If a private insurance underwriter can pass off the entire loss as flood and have the government pay the full loss, they will. Why should they pay, when Uncle Sam can pay? Google the Scruggs Katrina Group and the the Insurance Transparency Project dot com web sites for information about claims and how they are handled or mis-handled. Purchase the maximum amount of flood coverage, it is cheap compared to homeowners coverage. After Katrina totally destroyed my elevated home (only piles and a slab left) USAA chumped me on my homeowner's coverage, if not for my flood policy, I would have been left on the side of the road holding my hat with nothing. Learn all you can about the Wind verses Water Debate. I learned the hard way. You will not be in Good Hands or have a Good Neighbor if you home is destroyed. Insurance companies have no problem processing the premium payments from millions of insured's each month, but they are suddenly overwhelmed when several thousand claims are filed and they are suddenly in the position to have pay out on claims. Also remember agents are only salesmen, what they say dose not mean squat. P.S. Learn if your home owner's policy has a "Concurrent Causation Clause". If so, your home could suffer 99% wind damage and 1% flood damage and you will not recover a dime. I learned these lessons the hard way.
 
I think this thread is really a surreptitious attempt to lower the value of LI waterfront property so the foreigners can scoop it up at really cheap prices......better yet, so the insurance companies can scoop it up at really cheap prices....
 
......any foreigner who wants to " scoop " up my house can have it for $850K....and I'll even throw in the boat......and a year of flood insurance free !!
 
I'm right behind you Don............in my RV too! :)
 
L: please explain the "Concurrent Causation Clause"
 
Bruce, The "Concurrent Causation Clause" in a HO-3 Policy in the state of Mississippi basically states (I'm not an attorney) that if a non-covered event (say flooding from storm surge) teams with a "weather system" then the entire loss is not covered no matter what the sequence the damage occurs in. In real life terms that means hurricane force winds/tornadoes could destroy your home prior to landfall of the eye, then as the eye moves on shore bringing with it the storm surge that results in flooding, your homeowner's policy underwriter can look at the entire loss as a flood event. About a month ago a jury in Mississippi Southern District US Federal Court ruled against USAA in a 1.8 million dollar property damage claim based on the wind/water debate. The jury found that wind, not storm surge, destroyed a home built in the 1880's and located on a bluff of land with elevation higher than that of the storm surge. It seems USAA would prefer to pay a PhD weather expert thousands of dollars rather than pay a legit wind/hail claim.
 
IMHO.......insurance companys are just about equal...........they ALL suck !
 
Again I blame the MF LAWYERS...... ITs like that Kevin beacon game.... It all leads back the MFing Lawyers....

Rob
 
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