"Genmar Pushing Daisies" -interesting Pascoe blog

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I thought this was an interesting assesment from David Pascoe's blog.

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Genmar Pushing Daisies

Genmar Holdings, Inc. the boat building conglomerate, threw in the towel yesterday and filed Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. As far as ten years back I warned Irwin Jacobs in several published articles about the perils of creating that kind of company with all its eggs in the one basket of the highly cyclical boating biz. All it takes is a major economic downturn, and you are finished. Great business executive, that Mr. Jacobs, as brilliant as all the bankers and real estate moguls, doesn't understand diversification as a survival strategy.

I also accused him of megalomania when he bought Hatteras and tried to turn it into a mega yacht builder in the face of a market that was already over-saturated with same. He didn't stand a chance and proved it within only a couple of years, taking a once great company and effectively gutting it. Rubbing salt in the wound, Brunswick then picks up the dregs and foolishly attempts to do something with it. By then the only hope would have been to pack up the molds and blue prints and move Hatteras to Belize or China.

“If someone would have said to me as recently as even one month ago that Genmar would someday be filing for Chapter 11, I would have said it was not even a remote possibility," Jacobs said. Uh huh. Sure. 2009 sales were off 50% from 2008 which were off 50% from 2007 and you had no idea. That was Jacob's problem: he had no idea, just delusions of grandeur.

After all, he was the only “boating mogul" I've ever met that wore black Armani suits with a hanky in the pocket, in contrast to the likes of Bob Derecktor, Jack Hargrave, Frank Denison, Dick Bertram and others who wore coveralls or khakis.

Genmar brands consist of Carver, Wellcraft (a brands that should have died two decades ago), Four Winns, Hydro Sports (another looser), Stratos, Champion, Larson, Windsor Craft, Sea Swirl, Marquis, Ranger and Triumph a collection of real winners there. The Jacobs strategy was to pick up failing builders on the cheap and attempt to make something of them. Other than Carver, which didn't need any help, do you recognize any of those brands? Are any of them worth owning at any price?

The notion of bankruptcy protection is something of a joke if the info contained in several news articles is accurate. According to the articles, Genmar has between ten and fifty million in assets and liabilities of $100 to $500 million with 100 to 199 creditors. What's this “between" crap? Just that, crap. How does one not know what its liabilities are? Ergo, the truth is probably that Genmar has $10 million in assets and $500 million in liabilities. Now, GM was just disclosed to have a debt to equity ratio of 2:1, but Genmar takes the cake with 50:1. Bankruptcy protection? There isn't anything to protect. A liquidation recovery of 2 cents on the dollar would be great fortune, but the assets (manufacturing real estate) at this time are likely worth next to nothing.

Brunswick is next in line for the chopping block, an outfit with only a tad more diversification than Genmar, which had none. Their stock is selling at $5 only because a rising tide lifts all boats, even when they can't sell any boats because the lenders are withdrawing floor plan financing from dealers. Apparently it is surviving due to an existing line of credit, but that can't last long. Boating won't much miss Genmar, but Brunswick is a different matter.

Many of the independent builders, so long as they don't have a big debt load, are hanging in there. They can reduce operations to near zero without going bust, close down even until the field is cleared of excess capacity. However, they're going to get hit with high fuel prices once again so that in order to continue surviving, they'll need to change their product line to both cheaper and more efficient boats. One way to do this is to eliminate most of the eye candy and come up with less costly designs. Be done with the Buck Rodgers space ship nonsense and go back to “square is beautiful." Shallow bottoms, keels and single engines for smaller boats. There will be no choice in the matter what with GM going bust; the end of the V8 and probably V6 is at hand. And no, those Japanese aluminum engines are not adaptable. Don't be misled if any should try that. We've been down that road many times before and it will not work.

For boating to survive at all, builders will have to adapt to a much poorer America that will be paying either cash or very hefty down strokes, like 30-50%. That means to sell anything in volume, they'll have to cut the price by half. Sound impossible? Its not. It will just take time for attitudes to change that the boats of the future aren't going to be like cars with all the eye candy and faux luxury. The boat of the future will be more like a 1980 Chris Craft Catalina pictured above. The American love affair with the automobile is likewise coming to an end; henceforth, the car of the future will be utilitarian by virtue of the fact that people won't be able to afford anything more.

Why boats like the Catalina? Mainly because they are much less costly to produce. Using computer controlled mold making machines to create that abundance of curvy, wavy lines is very costly. So is screwing around with all the exotic hi tech materials. Boats like the Catalina more closely resemble the traditional summer cottage on the lake rather than a five star floating hotel room. You get a fold down bunk instead of a queen size berth that comes standard with a $1500 monthly payment.

What the boat building industry needs is some people with vision, who can see what the future holds and then create products that will and can sell in that unfortunate environment. Like the name of the movie, it means going “Back to the Future." That will only seem bad to people who think things can develop and grow forever. Fortunately, the world is not like that, otherwise we'd consume everything to the point nothing was left. As it is, we've already done too much of that. Like it or not, the retrenchment cycle is at hand.

The United Socialist States of America isn't going to be a very prosperous nation but a nation in permanent decline. Believe it, accept it, and get on with it, or emigrate.
 
David Pascoe is not the end all know it all he would like everyone to believe. I hold little stock in his opinions, in fact if I did I would never how bought my boat. He pan the Trojan that I own and yet I still love it.
I agree that times are tough but don't agree that the end of all we know, is near. Things will bounce back after a major correction. Yes many companies will not survive but once confidence is regained things will turn around.
At the moment we are living out a self fulfilling prophecy.
 
When I complained in 2001 about the poor quality and wasteful operations at Wellcraft,& Aquasports, they didnt try to improve the product, they fired me.

I think Carvers swoopy euro designs are the ugliest boats on the water.

Wellcraft built boats that you had to dismantle the engine to replace the batteries. The Engineering Dept head used to say "We have to beat SeaRay" and then would try to design boats that either mimicked a SeaRay or had tricky stuff to appear forward thinking. Made them look chintzy. Helm areas with no flat surfaces to install electronics...duh.. Fancy film switches in a saltwater environment, duh...

No one there could see that you just need to build a good solid boat that works and lasts. Put herky sealed swtches. Use heat shrink connectors. Flat helm spaces. Good lighting in the right places. Put the most often replaced items in the most accessible places, dont hide them.
 
For the most part I have to agree with the dialog except perhaps the diversification attack. Genmar obviously had a diversified product line and with Carver they had no need of the midsized yachts. But it seems they left out the sport fishing boats line in the 30-50 foot field.
Is there a boat in that line up of brands that has a straight six inboard diesel of a trawling or utilitarian nature? Is there a 36 footer that can get 5 mpg like the old trawlers?
 
Once again Pascoe making a fool of himself. He's clinging to some fantasy vision of the "good old days" that never existed. That and what's he ever done besides inspect a few boats and run his mouth? He's got nothing to compare to those actually running businesses. It's easy to sit on the sidelines and hurl insults. Actually DOING the work is apparently beyond his skills.
 
he has a point although as often he goes a little over the top to make his point.

face it... the days of 1/2 million dollars fancy campers are gone and so will the buidlers that dont' adapt. The last 10 years trend to make boats high tech, full of gadgets, complicated while ignoring quality and maintenance has deepened the grave mass boat builders have been digging themselves into.

there is no value in boating any more. Take the "average" 40ish footer which "fully loaded" (but who would have it any other way) comes in around 1/2M. Annual cost, including depreciation, interest and all? Around 100k. Now put yourself in the shoes of the "average" significant other who quickly see that 100k will pay for a lot of luxury vacations around the world every year instead of being squashed in a glorified camper, dealing with weather and break down. Do the math... 100k a year, that pays for a week in St Barths, a 2 week trip to europe, a week in Aspen a,d numerous romantic get away week ends where the husband won't be stressed out about docking or disapearing in the engine compartment. And won't make her run around "his" dman boat with lines and fenders.

where is the value in boating? It's gone...

New boats certainly don't offer the peace of mind someone "investing" 500k should expect. All the threads about new boat issues and lousy dealer service prove that point.

a few years back, when money was easy thanks to the dot com boom, housing bubble and easy credit, the boat building industry got away with it. these days are gone for good and even as the economy recover, credit will never be as easy as it was and as this country slides deeper into a socialist frame of mind, luxury spending will become increasingly difficult.
 
As an older boater I do like the traditional designs, but I also like queen size beds, not fold downs.
 
David Pascoe is using selective memory (or something like that). Irwin Jacobs "putting all his eggs in one basket"? Mr. Jacobs does the exact opposite. David Pascoe neglects to mention that Jacobs is highly diversified - He also owns several other companies not related to the boating industry such as Watkins Incorporated, Jacobs Management Corp., Jacobs Industries, Inc., J.Y.J. Corp., C.O.M.B. Co., Federal Financial Corporation, FFC Realty, Watkins, Inc., Northwestern Bag Corporation, Nationwide Collection Service, Inc., 1. Jacobs Enterprises, Kodicor, Inc., Brown-Minneapolis Tank and Fabricating Co., Regional Accounts Corporation, Nationwide Accounts Corporation, Jacobs Bag Corporation, Lawndale Industries Inc., EQC of Indiana, Inc., Touch Corporation, JMSL Acquiring Corporation, S.J. Industries, Inc., JII Air Service, Inc., P.S.T. Acquiring Corporation. Yet Pascoe calls him an "eggs all in one basket" guy.

Pascoe also tries to make a point that the brand that make up Genmar are obscure ("do you recognize any of those brands?"), yet he neglects to mention Glastron, which is very popular. And gee, I think I HAVE heard of Four Winns, Larson, Ranger, and Wellcraft!

Oh, and then he says the boating industry needs to have some people with "vision". Has David Pascoe ever heard of VEC technology? You know, the procedure to produce a hull in 35 minutes as opposed to 8 hours, also reducing the pollution, waste, and labor associated with the standard method of forming a hull? While not invented by Jacobs, Jacobs was the one with the vision to promote it, obtain the patent, and use it in his boats.

Sounds like David Pascoe has some sort of "H--- On" for Genmar.
 
I was curious what his slam at Triumph was about, since he lumps it in with "real winners". That seems like the kind of brand that has a future in this economy. Relatively cheap, low maintenance product, and everyone I know that has one likes it or has traded up to bigger one. They must be doing something right. What am I missing there?
 
I agree with Pascal. For some time we've seen that boats of most types are too costly, too glitzy, and often impractical. I no longer have a dog in the fight but it seems clear to me that there is a need to fashion the product to something affordable in contemporary terms, something practical and easily maintained, and build it in a way to achieve economy of scale. Oh Yes! One also needs available financing on the dealer level who is located in an area that provides decent jobs. I have seen dozens of good dealers shut their doors because of lack of foregoing.
 
Pascoe has it in for everyone, but he and Pascal are right about the future needing to change. Boats are getting swooping and techy, but not where it counts: THe fuel tank. And Americans need to get off the gas motor kick and go diesel which will in turn lower the diesel motor costs, which manufacturers need to take the lead in and reduce the costs to get people interested in getting one.

Give me a hefty toggle switch and analog gauges. I worked on electronics for 30 years and prefer old school ruggedness...
 
I am also not a fan of some of the newer boat designs, but that is what was selling. I suppose Pascoe's advice would have been to stay with the older designs during a time when the newer offerings were gaining in popularity. Not much usefull information in this article.
 
They were selling because they were new, looked good and attracted naive new boaters. When we were looking for a boat in the 45 foot range we opted to buy our current boat a 1985 hatteras. Not because it was a hatteras, but because it was solid, made with quality fittings, had simple controls and very popular (in numbers) engines.
I know folks that bought new and could not trust the controls to put the dang boat in gear. I also know folks that bought new and had to bail out at a loss when times got tough.

The boating industry is in for a reformation and it's going to get squeezed by the market and government when the environmentalists get on the wagon with boating.
 
I have never been in the boating business but have been around boats my whole life and as an "average Joe" I do agree that boat builders are more concerned with making one boat fits all. Personally I do not like any new boats on the market. I prefer a roomy fishing boat, made for fishing such as the late 80's 27 Albemarle. Show me a new 27 footer with inboards that can fit six grown men in the cockpit comfortably and still sleep two for a long weekend. The other side of that is the older Pacemakers and Chris-Crafts in the mid fourty foot range with naturally aspirated diesels that can cruise low teens or trawler speeds with affordable fuel economy. Those boats IMO are affordable, comfortable and built like tanks. I would love to see a builder come out with an update on the 3 cabin 46 foot flush deck motoryacht that were built in the 70's. Make them simple and let the buyer add on what he wants, isn't that what most of us do anyway? Even if I could afford a brand new boat I wouldn't spend half a million on a majority of what's on the market nowadays.
 
We own a 1980 Chris Craft Catalina. It is good for 2 people at the max.
We like the size cause it is easy to clean and wax.
We love the look, with the hard top.
We don't like the V-berth.
We don't like shower while straddling the toilet.
It did not come with a generator or an a/c. Ours was added.
The fuel economy on ours is really terrible.
But over all, we like her looks, ride and ease of handling
in tight spaces.
Our interior is all original except we removed the carpet
and installed wood floors. The 29 year old carpet was getting
smelly.
 
I can say that I have looked over his survey site very well, but I don't
keep up with his blog.
Being in the oil business, I can tell you that 99% of what he is saying
is his opinion, or drug induces dreams, but it is not fact. He is way
off base. He has no idea how the oil business operates, I can tell by
his rants about it. He is just pissed about the high price of fuel. The
oil companies cannot do anything about that, they just ride on what ever
prices OPEC sets and enjoys the good times and rides out the bad times.
 
I agree with a many of the points made by Pascoe. The wimpy boaters who have paid for their "wahoo look at me" lifestyle on credit cards and home equity loans need to sell the boat or let the bank take it back. If and when they come back into boating they will earn the right to play by fixing painting, and repairing and or downsizing. As far a new product goes... the industry is going to need to shift to where the market is going not where it's been. I understand the cost tooling and design for boat and engine development is very expensive and this will likely cause many of the current industry players to fail. This could leave the field wide open for innovation. This is the land of opportunity and innovators and entrepreneurs will fill in the gaps. Recreational boating is a product driven industry. IMO
 
VEC technology would be great if the consumer could "see" the difference and the savings. I understand it makes a better product, but the average Joe will say 'so what if it aint cheaper...' How long will it take them to recoup the tooling costs? Jacobs tried to get the EPA to outlaw the old open mold processes being used by most everyone else, thus making his VEC the only game in town. That backfired. THen he tried to sell his boats thru an association with, I believe, Wal-Mart. But they didnt want his boats all over their parking lots, or something to that effect.

The basic problem is boating is expensive. Builders mark up the product 300% before it goes out the door, then dealers mark it up so they can discount it. Fuel economy is horrific. Maintenance is expensive. SO if it isnt a passion, it aint being bought by those with limited funds. Plain and simple.
 
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[The basic problem is boating is expensive. Builders mark up the product 300% before it goes out the door, then dealers mark it up so they can discount it. Fuel economy is horrific. Maintenance is expensive. SO if it isnt a passion, it aint being bought by those with limited funds. Plain and simple.






This is on the money (no pun intended). The average american can't afford the kind of money it takes to own, even the most modest new boat. For most of us, used is the only option and that doesn't work for manufacturers. Henry Ford put an auto in every driveway because he found a way to build and price the product at a level his own workers could afford.
 
Pascoe is correct about the boating industry needing to change. Most boats these days have nicer furniture, cabinets, flooring, etc than the average house. Why? It may look nice, but I'd rather spend my money somewhere else where I get more value in return.

And though Pascoe can be over the top and has a selective memory, he usually isn't too far off the mark. I remember when the Dow was around 12,000 and AIG and Ambac were just starting to unravel. Pascoe said the Dow would go to 7,200. He was a little off as it actually went lower.
 
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