Hatteras 53 or Hatteras 56 or something else?

I wouldn't worry about air draft, yes a lower boats may let you sneak under one or two bridges on the ICW but what s big deal...

Draft though is indeed a consideration deoending on where you want to go, most of th boats you re looking at max out at 5' or so (George can correct me if th 56 draws more, maybe 5 3?) so it won't make much of a difference. The older 53 like mine draws 4' which is nice but 5' is not a big deal on th ICW and bahamas. In th keys you may have to watch the tides on the bay side.

Broker commission is 10% paid by the seller. Boats that size are rarely sold outside brokers but that happens.
 
On your trip air draft and water draft will need to be considered up through Lake Champlain and any of the locks.
That information is available on the NY State canal system site and is updated.

Hope this helps
 
Consider sight lines as you look.

I like wider boats and agree that handling is probably not different from size to size with proper set up. There should be no muscling a 50' boat regardless of brand.
 
Thank You Pascal, At this time I think a 61 would be better, 4 roooms... also what do you think of 60' Astillero 1990 it say: (Comparable to Hatteras, Viking, Ocean Alexander) Tango 60 http://www.yachtworld.com/privatela...&units=Feet&id=2650063&lang=en&slim=pp251989&
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Originally posted by PascalG

I wouldn't worry about air draft, yes a lower boats may let you sneak under one or two bridges on the ICW but what s big deal...

Draft though is indeed a consideration deoending on where you want to go, most of th boats you re looking at max out at 5' or so (George can correct me if th 56 draws more, maybe 5 3?) so it won't make much of a difference. The older 53 like mine draws 4' which is nice but 5' is not a big deal on th ICW and bahamas. In th keys you may have to watch the tides on the bay side.

Broker commission is 10% paid by the seller. Boats that size are rarely sold outside brokers but that happens.

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Interesting boat, not bad looking actually. Never heard of them. If the hull is solid glass, fine... If cored below water line I d be concerned

No major red flag in the listing or pictures except that you d definitely need engine controls on the aft deck to back it into a slip and those windows around the aft deck better fully open for line handling.
 
I asked the questions to the seller waiting for the response.

What about extended Yacht, I was told under 10 feet is ok if you add bigger rudders, backing up must be less responsive? I was looking at this boat http://www.lukebrownyachts.com/-atlantic-61-hatteras-for-sale By the way during my research I found great info you posted in 2011. Thanks for the helpful hand captain :)
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Originally posted by PascalG

Interesting boat, not bad looking actually. Never heard of them. If the hull is solid glass, fine... If cored below water line I d be concerned

No major red flag in the listing or pictures except that you d definitely need engine controls on the aft deck to back it into a slip and those windows around the aft deck better fully open for line handling.

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Originally posted by Montreal_Bob

I asked the questions to the seller waiting for the response.

What about extended Yacht, I was told under 10 feet is ok if you add bigger rudders, backing up must be less responsive? I was looking at this boat http://www.lukebrownyachts.com/-atlantic-61-hatteras-for-sale By the way during my research I found great info you posted in 2011. Thanks for the helpful hand captain :)
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Originally posted by PascalG

Interesting boat, not bad looking actually. Never heard of them. If the hull is solid glass, fine... If cored below water line I d be concerned

No major red flag in the listing or pictures except that you d definitely need engine controls on the aft deck to back it into a slip and those windows around the aft deck better fully open for line handling.

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I've seen this boat twice in two stages. Once on a travel lift and several times in the water. I have never been on her though. She is absolutely beautiful. Up close, you would never know she did not come from the factory that way. The workmanship on the extension is that good.

Where are you going to berth after the trip? If South Carolina, check the boat size/crew requirements for that state. They have changed recently.

As for the Bayliner 4788, the boat is a battlewagon though the brand name may make one think otherwise. I have a friend with a 4588 and another with a 4788 who both got stuck in a nasty storm in the middle of the Chesapeake and both took serious water over the bow for several hours with no damage to either craft. The friend with the 4788 has made the run from VA to FL both inside and out a few times. I've read of folks making the cross in a 4788 more than once. IMHO, the layout is top notch.

Good luck w/ your search.
 
Thanks for the reply on the extended 54. What do you mean crew requierement, does it change at 60 feet in SC or other Eastern States?
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Originally posted by KiDa

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Originally posted by Montreal_Bob

I asked the questions to the seller waiting for the response.

What about extended Yacht, I was told under 10 feet is ok if you add bigger rudders, backing up must be less responsive? I was looking at this boat http://www.lukebrownyachts.com/-atlantic-61-hatteras-for-sale By the way during my research I found great info you posted in 2011. Thanks for the helpful hand captain :)
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Originally posted by PascalG

Interesting boat, not bad looking actually. Never heard of them. If the hull is solid glass, fine... If cored below water line I d be concerned

No major red flag in the listing or pictures except that you d definitely need engine controls on the aft deck to back it into a slip and those windows around the aft deck better fully open for line handling.

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I've seen this boat twice in two stages. Once on a travel lift and several times in the water. I have never been on her though. She is absolutely beautiful. Up close, you would never know she did not come from the factory that way. The workmanship on the extension is that good.

Where are you going to berth after the trip? If South Carolina, check the boat size/crew requirements for that state. They have changed recently.

As for the Bayliner 4788, the boat is a battlewagon though the brand name may make one think otherwise. I have a friend with a 4588 and another with a 4788 who both got stuck in a nasty storm in the middle of the Chesapeake and both took serious water over the bow for several hours with no damage to either craft. The friend with the 4788 has made the run from VA to FL both inside and out a few times. I've read of folks making the cross in a 4788 more than once. IMHO, the layout is top notch.

Good luck w/ your search.

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There is a fixed railroad bridge on the Champlain canal just south of the Whitehall lock that is quite low. We traveled from Champlain to NYC and back last summer. There were two Canadian boats at about the 45' range that were just behind us and they needed to dismantle their radar arch to make it under.
 
South Carolina is the only state I know of. The numbers are arbitrary but close. Minimum size requiring a licensed captain was 65 foot. I believe that is across the board. One of the licensed captains here could set that straight in a second. A friend of my brother's has a 62 footer, personal use only. Kept it under 65 foot because he did not want the hassle of hiring / maintaining a captain and whatever crew was required. Somehow, SC changed their rules from 65 foot to 60 foot for a captain.

Check where ever you settle. Perhaps it was the marina because yayhoos were banging up boats? I don't know. I do know the fellow with the 62 footer could easily afford the captain....he just wanted to drive his own boat.
 
Yes I checked Champlain Canal in maximum pool is 13.5 clearance and minimum pool is 17', I do not think I could pass an Hatteras 53 or 56 without removing the Arch and even then, not sure at all. I'm checking to go down the St-Lawrence River till Lake Ontario, that is easy, then go down the NY locks till Troy then south.BUt even then I'm seeing 20 feet clearance on a lot of bridges. So what type of Hatteras 53-56 could pass underneath, I could remove the arch and lower it, but a fiberglass one, I'm not sure. Thanks for the Help.

I'll keep it under 65' :) in any case
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Originally posted by faverod

There is a fixed railroad bridge on the Champlain canal just south of the Whitehall lock that is quite low. We traveled from Champlain to NYC and back last summer. There were two Canadian boats at about the 45' range that were just behind us and they needed to dismantle their radar arch to make it under.

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I checked Champlain Canal in maximum pool is 13.5 clearance and minimum pool is 17', I do not think I could pass an Hatteras 53 or 56 without removing the Arch and even then, not sure at all. I'm checking to go down the St-Lawrence River till Lake Ontario, that is easy, then go down the NY locks till Troy then south. BUt even then I'm seeing 20 feet clearance on a lot of bridges. So what type of Hatteras 53-56 could pass underneath, I could remove the arch and lower it, but a fiberglass one, I'm not sure. Thanks for the Help.

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Originally posted by PascalG

I wouldn't worry about air draft, yes a lower boats may let you sneak under one or two bridges on the ICW but what s big deal...

Draft though is indeed a consideration deoending on where you want to go, most of th boats you re looking at max out at 5' or so (George can correct me if th 56 draws more, maybe 5 3?) so it won't make much of a difference. The older 53 like mine draws 4' which is nice but 5' is not a big deal on th ICW and bahamas. In th keys you may have to watch the tides on the bay side.

Broker commission is 10% paid by the seller. Boats that size are rarely sold outside brokers but that happens.

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Originally posted by KiDa

South Carolina is the only state I know of. The numbers are arbitrary but close. Minimum size requiring a licensed captain was 65 foot. I believe that is across the board. One of the licensed captains here could set that straight in a second. A friend of my brother's has a 62 footer, personal use only. Kept it under 65 foot because he did not want the hassle of hiring / maintaining a captain and whatever crew was required. Somehow, SC changed their rules from 65 foot to 60 foot for a captain.

Check where ever you settle. Perhaps it was the marina because yayhoos were banging up boats? I don't know. I do know the fellow with the 62 footer could easily afford the captain....he just wanted to drive his own boat.

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I've never heard of this and could not find any verification on the SC official page. Could this have been an insurance requirement instead?
 
"As for the Bayliner 4788, the boat is a battlewagon though the brand name may make one think otherwise. I have a friend with a 4588 and another with a 4788 who both got stuck in a nasty storm in the middle of the Chesapeake and both took serious water over the bow for several hours with no damage to either craft. The friend with the 4788 has made the run from VA to FL both inside and out a few times. I've read of folks making the cross in a 4788 more than once. IMHO, the layout is top notch."

Hello David - Having owned two Bayliner 45 pilothouses and now a 47 Pilothouse I would agree with you 100%. With that said these boats cannot be directly compared to the Hatts which weigh in at twice the weight. There is good and less than good with each so a good set of needs and wants is the best bet. Here are some dimensions on the 47 Bayliner which many would not readily know:
54' - actual overall length swimstep to pulpit
47' 4" - length of molded hull
39" - water draft
17' - full air draft to top of anchor light
16' 2" - Height to top of radar
14' 10" - Height to top of arch
12' 6" - approx. height with Arch down

Hope this helps
 
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Originally posted by captainwjm

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Originally posted by KiDa

South Carolina is the only state I know of. The numbers are arbitrary but close. Minimum size requiring a licensed captain was 65 foot. I believe that is across the board. One of the licensed captains here could set that straight in a second. A friend of my brother's has a 62 footer, personal use only. Kept it under 65 foot because he did not want the hassle of hiring / maintaining a captain and whatever crew was required. Somehow, SC changed their rules from 65 foot to 60 foot for a captain.

Check where ever you settle. Perhaps it was the marina because yayhoos were banging up boats? I don't know. I do know the fellow with the 62 footer could easily afford the captain....he just wanted to drive his own boat.

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I've never heard of this and could not find any verification on the SC official page. Could this have been an insurance requirement instead?

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Could be! I'll ask next time I see him. Never thought of that.
 
It's almost certainly an insurance issue. I don't see how a state could force you to get a federal commercial captained license.
 
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