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I know I shouldn't let the know nothings on the water get to me.

I cannot believe HOW many people running their boats do not know the rules of the water. 5mph means 5mph, not half on plane.

I was passed AS I was entering the center of the Wantagh 2 bridge, goose creek.

Sunday for the airshow, its all 5mph by the Jones Beach Fishing piers, people are running on plane. Their were boats anchored ALL over. I signal one guy to slow down, he gives me the one finger salute. Very classy.

Seatow is in the process of towing someone and they are coming at me. I was the only one of 11 boats that slowed down to a no wake while passing him. AND, he was towing a capsized boat.

I passed a guy in the canal as I was heading out, he was heading in, and they were smoking pot on the boat. Speeding in the canal throwing a huge wake and getting high.

Gotta love the south shore of Long Island. Im sure its no different elsewhere
 
I have a question,

So I took a ride Monday, went to Cedar Beach to see some friends, then I cruise state channel from Cedar to Babylon Cut. Where does the 5 mph zone start there after passing the Lindy Cut?

As I was coming through. there was a party fishing boat in the channel to the right, so I went around him on plane to the left, then got back to the right of the channel. As I did, Seatow boat was coming on the left very slow, noone in tow and made a gesture as if I was going too fast for channel. As I passed him, I saw a 5 mph sign just before that house there on right. I went slow from there and well into the cut before going back on plane.

So the seatow guy made me think I did something wrong, but I don't think I did.

Comments?
 
I took my first journey to the South Shore to watch the Blue Angels. Fortunately without incident. I have to say though, you guys have it tough out there. From the little I experienced and have read, there is very little good boating out there unless you are a fisherman.
 
First lets address Matts comments. There was absolutely no Police backing up the no wake zone between the bridges on Saturday. It was an fing train wreck. Boats on plane going back and forth. Small fishing guys 2 ' off anchored boats blasting tru. If ur going to declare an temporary no wake zone u better have the resources to enforce it. Just north of me 4 boats rafted up just outside the channel... They got their butts kicked. People are just fing stupid .

OK now to dave . The 5mph sign u see on the house is the houses sign. He put it up. The 5mph zone starts when heading east at dicks .( the gas place )

I personally slow down at the house as my wake wrecks havoc .. The sign in question has been in place for as long as I can remember. I think SEATOW Chris is the one that said its not a town/state sign.

Rob
 
Every so often I miss living on the water and boating up there..........until I read threads like this and am reminded of the morons that are on the GSB who have no respect for anyone!
 
AAAAHHHHH.........the good old GSB.......I miss all the fun :)
 
Rob,
That is what I thought, so why was Seatow making gestures. Did he think I should of slowed past the fishing boat? I am all for following the rules, but it annoys me when people think I am doing something wrong when I am not. I saw no reason to slow down until the sign and agree that is not a valid sign, but I gave it the benefit since I know the turn to the cut can get tight with boats coming out, so I was slowing down anyway. Seatow usually knows the rules of the road too. It annoys me because I had a boat full of people and now they all think I did something wrong and I am like I have no idea why he is annoyed.

If I have to slow down for every boat anchored or going slow, then why do I own a powerboat, should just get a rowboat!

Also, since when are fishing boats fishing in the state channel? We have a channel that is maybe 100 feet wide and you have a 65' boat fishing in it sideways!

As for the south shore, sorry to say, but it is good boating. Yes, we have channels, yes you have to pay attention, but that is part of the fun and the challenge. Anyone can follow a river! I enjoy the south shore more than I did the north shore but I definately hate the idiots out there. But I think you have idiots anywhere you boat!.

Look, I just got home from Italy where I went to Venice, you want to see some crazy boating, go there!
 
Also, since when are fishing boats fishing in the state channel? We have a channel that is maybe 100 feet wide and you have a 65' boat fishing in it sideways!

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That there use to drive me nuts ..............
 
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As for the south shore, sorry to say, but it is good boating. Yes, we have channels, yes you have to pay attention, but that is part of the fun and the challenge. Anyone can follow a river! I enjoy the south shore more than I did the north shore but I definately hate the idiots out there. But I think you have idiots anywhere you boat!.

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Yes there are idiots everywhere but when you have more channels then open water, they are much more dangerous. I am simply reacting to the posts/complaints I read on this forum and my limited experience on the South Shore. To each their own but I like to leave my marina and start cruising as soon as I'm out, find a nice spot to anchor as they are plentiful and enjoy the day. I am not a fan of ocean crusing. I like the calmer waters of the river.
 
Dave,
Just like everything else sometimes the Captain behind the wheel may be having a bad day or just thinks that yellow boat gives him god status . IDK.

But I can tell u the SEATOW captain that was working sunday off Nicks point is a complete A hole. He's hooking up to a broken down boat right off the bay houses in a real skinny channel. I see him and I slow to idle . There are 3 very large bridge boats coming behind me and one 50 plus fly bridge coming from the other direction in again a very very NARROW section. As im along side SEATOW he begins his tow. There isn't enough room for one boat never mind me and him and his tow. I give em a look like ur a fing moron. he shrugs . he literally pulled with in 2' of my boat . NOw we have the quack in the 50 Plus that just keeps coming . Seatow realizes he screw up im thinking and idles . I idle as the 50 guy is still coming and there is no water . IF the 50 guy had stopped 10 yards shorter we could have all passed no issues ... but no..... people are selfish clueless a holes. So anyway way off my thought but not all captains are alike . IDK hoo long the seatow guy was on duty ... could be just a senior moment.... but man did he cause a screw up..... The guy in the 50 was just a mine bigger then urs putz ....

Did this ramble help "

Rob
 
Hank,
You have a ocean going boat. But I understand. Hudson is beautiful area. Been there. Don't just look at Zach's bay and where ever you came inside. We have other areas that are not so channel intense. East of Robert moses causeway is alot of open water. There are many coves that are nice to go to. Also you came on a holiday weekend. I know people who refuse to leave the dock on a holiday weekend because every new boater is out there. We also have many coves that are nice but noone goes to. South shore of Long Island is a great place to boat, but you do need to be on your best boating skills at all times. I think there is saying, "Calm Seas do not make a good Captain"! Enjoy your river!
 
Ironically I commented to my wife and son how much better it was leaving the air show on Saturday. There were less boaters for sure. Probably because of the weather. But it seemed like there were plenty of enforcement boats with flashing blue lights in Zack's Bay itself, and in the 5mph zones between there and the Amityville cut.
There are always enough idiots out there though.
The fishing guys don't bother me since I enjoy it myself and am often one of them. If I am drifting across the channel while fishing I know full well that I have to keep an eye out for traffic and wakes. I also avoid fishing once the traffic builds up, or on holiday weekends when the whole fleet is out. If we go on a weekend we are usually back at the dock cleaning up by 11:00 AM. That's about the time the boat traffic seems to really pick up.
My pet peeve is the plows that throw enormous wakes in narrow channels and can't get on plane. One of them actually passed me and another boat Saturday in the narrow 5mph route out of Zack's Bay to the channel itself. He must have deep pockets, or was looking for a shorter season. That water gets real shallow just outside those buoys. Honestly, I think the rest of us were doing more like 3 mph because of the line of boats in that very narrow space. I guess he was impatient.
Anyway, I wound up behind him heading east in the State Channel after the 5 mph zone ended. Sure enough he had his land yacht up to what was probably a good 9 or 10 knots and was plowing enough water to create a huge wake from one side to the other. When I saw my chance I tooted my horn as required and he and his crew waved to me like I was an old friend.
I passed him and all I could think about was "I wonder if that clueless fool has any idea about how much fuel he is wasting". My boat isn't too big and I have no idea about running one of those floating condos. Forget about the havoc their enormous wakes cause. But it seems to me that if you can't get it up on plane, you are probably better off keeping the bow down and cruising along at 5 or 6 knots. Much less fuel, less strain on the power plants, and a much more enjoyable ride.
Maybe it's time they made the whole State boat channel down there between Zack's Bay and Babylon a 5 mph zone on weekends between 10:00 AM and 6:00 PM or something like that. I don't see as much of a problem between Wantagh and the Jones inlet because, like the north end, it is so much wider, but the part east of Wantagh out to Babylon is a little too narrow for all the weekend traffic travelling at different speeds. If you are in a hurry during those times you can always go east and west up on the north end where there is plenty of space.
 
just because u have money doesn't make u smart and u cant fix stupid ...

Boating and stupid seem to be more common.

Glad Saturday was good ! West of the bridge no enforcement ....

Rob
 
Rob,
That didn't help but it was a interesting ramble!
All I am saying is if you see my boat, don't expect me to slow down for any of the following:

- Fishing people unless they are in a non motorized vessal like a canoe or rowboat.
- Jetski's
- Party boats
- Paddleboards in the channel

I will slow down for:

- Boats under tow
- Police boats going very slow
- In distress vessals
- Rowboats, rubber rafts, and canoes if non motorized.
- Naked women on the beach
- 5 mph signs
- Debris floating and if able to take aboard, I will.

That's my rules!!
 
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Originally posted by Robski97

just because u have money doesn't make u smart and u cant fix stupid ...

Boating and stupid seem to be more common.

Glad Saturday was good ! West of the bridge no enforcement ....

Rob

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Rob......Its NOT just in the boating industry. I see it with guys who own $2 million PREVOSTS.... that don't have a clue. I say to myself .....WTF ???? Money don't buy smarts.
 
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Originally posted by CurrentSea

Rob,
That didn't help but it was a interesting ramble!
All I am saying is if you see my boat, don't expect me to slow down for any of the following:

- Fishing people unless they are in a non motorized vessal like a canoe or rowboat.
- Jetski's
- Party boats
- Paddleboards in the channel

I will slow down for:

- Boats under tow
- Police boats going very slow
- In distress vessals
- Rowboats, rubber rafts, and canoes if non motorized.
- Naked women on the beach
- 5 mph signs
- Debris floating and if able to take aboard, I will.

That's my rules!!

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I feel your frustration and although there are gray areas in the "you are responsible for your own wake" rule, you are always responsible to operate your vessel in a prudent and safe manner and avoid an incident where possible. If you saw a paddle boarder etc. in the channel and chose not to slow down and flipped and killed them, you would be held accountable. Having said that, most deserve to be at least rocked a bit. I could never understand why these folks get pissed that you are rocking their boat when they are clearly close to a channel or active areas.
 
Though I agree with you, a paddleboarder in the channel is a fool.
Not sure I would be held liable for that, but I wouldn't want to find out.
Either way, we are seeing more and more paddleboarders in the bay and they need to realize they are going up against powerboats.
When they are in the flats, no issue, but when they enter a channel or cross a channel, they are taking a big chance.
 
Good thing everybody needs to have a boating certificate to operate a boat. We are all saved by the retards making the laws. Speed kills, I like the idea of 5 mph in the state channel on weekends from 10 am - 6 pm. Yes it will be a pain in the ass, but it is easy to enforce.

As for the Sea Tow captain, I can't imagine how much bull**** those guys have to put up with during a weekend like Memorial day weekend. He was probably not at his best when you guys went by. I'm sure in different circumstances you would have been on the same page.

Billy K.
 
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Originally posted by CurrentSea

Rob,
That didn't help but it was a interesting ramble!
All I am saying is if you see my boat, don't expect me to slow down for any of the following:

- Fishing people unless they are in a non motorized vessal like a canoe or rowboat.
- Jetski's
- Party boats
- Paddleboards in the channel

I will slow down for:

- Boats under tow
- Police boats going very slow
- In distress vessals
- Rowboats, rubber rafts, and canoes if non motorized.
- Naked women on the beach
- 5 mph signs
- Debris floating and if able to take aboard, I will.

That's my rules!!

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Honestly, I rarely slow down for the guys fishing the north channel, unless I am in the smaller boat and looking to see what if anything they are catching, but I do try to go wide around them so not to swamp them.
Going wide up on the north end is no big deal for me since there is still plenty of water for my boat on either side of that channel.
In the more narrow parts of the State boat channel I do tend to slow down for them.
Most guys I know who fish in the bay know more about boats and what they are doing on the water than I ever will. I rarely hear them complain about wakes of passing boats.
I do slow all the way down when the jet ski guys start jumping my wake. Not sure of what my legal liability would be if one of them jumped my wake in to the path of an oncoming vessel and got crushed, but not looking to find out.
While I would have little or no sympathy for the guy on the jet ski, I would feel bad for their family and the poor guy who runs them over.
Just riding on a jet ski for any period of time kills my back, I would probably be in traction if I were out there jumping wakes. I don't know how they do it.
I don't slow down for sailboats, unless they are the real little ones the kids sail out of Amityville. My own kids sail those things during the summer.
I also slow down for the kayaks.
Haven't come across a lot of paddle boarders, but would probably slow for them too.
Then again, I'm never in that much of a rush to get anywhere so it isn't a big deal for me.
 
I know it's been said before but when I was much younger the speed limit in the State Channel WAS 5 mph all the time. Those days are long gone
 
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