Ingram Bay Marina

I can look it up, but it's not so much what the tax rate is as much as how much they assess property. Usually, assessed value is way under actual value. Bottom line, property taxes are low.

Have you been to Ingram Bay? Take the drive, check it out and on your way back, stop at Olversons.
I see where you have a Trojan 44. Where are you keeping it now?
 
I tried looking on line and finally just sent an email to the county assessors office. I guess I will see what they say. The Trojan is in Palm Beach, FL. right now. We are going at the end of February to start moving it north. Going as far as Jacksonville and leaving at the Navy Base marina for two months. Going back the last week or so of April. Should be in VA by the 1st of May. The Four Winns I am hauling out from CA and will be there the 1st of March. I will be back in two weeks and may take a trip down there to check out both marinas. I like that Olverson's has covered storage for the little boat.
 
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cwms - Can I ask what marina you are in?

Paul - I have to agree with cwms. Given proper insurance, catastrophic failure of someone or something in the marina should cover pretty much all of it. What it does not is not generally going to cause me to lose sleep over it. The only thing I would be leary of is being caught on board at the time.

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Wasnt trying to scare you away, just giving food for thought.

THere are some nice marinas in the Woodbridge area. But i guess the big question would be how far down the river is an acceptable run and do you want to play on the river. I have a friend who is moving his 48 Hatteras from Florida to Colonial Beach next year. Says that gived enough room to play on short weekends and is close enought to the bay to make Bay trips feasible.
 
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The biggest problem with being up the river is that I can see it wearing out quick if you go out a lot. Down by Ingram Bay there seems to be more choices of where to go but it is a lot farther to get there.

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One problem with being directly on the bay is you dont have the relative prtoection of the river to play in when the bay is snotty.
 
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Originally posted by jmeirhofer

I tried looking on line and finally just sent an email to the county assessors office. I guess I will see what they say.

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Comparing tax rates is pretty much a waste of time. Which county would you prefer to be in...one that charges $2 per hundred on your boat or one that charges $3 per hundred on your boat but they only value it at 1/2 of its real value. At first glance the $2 county looks like the way to go, but when you really look into it, the $3 county is your best bet.

When you check with the tax assessor office, don't just get the tax rate, but give them details of your boat and ask how much they will assess it at.
 
I just got off the phone with the Northumberland County Tax Assessor. Very nice guy, we had a good talk. Tax is unbelievably cheap there. 3.6 X per 100 of 20% assessed value. Did I mention I hate taxes? That however, is a rate I can live with. Any way, my next trip out I will be checking out Olverson's and Ingram Bay. I am giving a slight nod to Olverson's right now given its position. As Paul pointed out, Ingram Bay is directly on the bay and does not give much options when it is inclement. On the other hand at Olverson's you could always take a trip up river. And the small boat would be in covered storage with an electrical plug for my trickle charger.

edit - forgot to mention, the assessor also told me that I would be eligible for a refund on the state fuel tax for fuel used in my boats. Just about a 20% savings on fuel purchased in VA.
 
Over the years, I've had dealings with the folks at the county for different reasons both in person and over the phone and what you experienced is typical. Always helpful and friendly. Good people in the Northern Neck.
 
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edit - forgot to mention, the assessor also told me that I would be eligible for a refund on the state fuel tax for fuel used in my boats. Just about a 20% savings on fuel purchased in VA.

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I hope you didn't misunderstand him. It's not a 20% savings on your fuel bill. Not positive on this but I believe of all the tax you pay on fuel, 20% of it is the state and that is what you get back. Something like .10 per gallon.
Not great but we'll take anything we can get.
 
According to the form he had me download it is a refund of the state fuel tax paid. That is 19.4% on diesel. But you are correct the rest is federal tax which is 24.4 on diesel.
 
I just looked at the DMV web site and it said the state tax on gas and diesel was 17.5 cents per gallon, but they did not say whether they gave all or just part of it back. Not sure, but seems like we don't get it all, just a portion...but I could be wrong.

http://www.dmv.virginia.gov/webdoc/citizen/fuel_tax.asp
 
Hey John, I live in Derwood, right next to Rockville. Are the tax benefits really that substantial? When our boat is here on the Chesapeake we have kept her on the Middle River or in Baltimore. There is so much good boating between Middle River and Annapolis on both sides of the Bay. It takes me under 1 hour to get to Baltimore during rush hour on one of the back routes and 45 minutes withour traffic. With Balt Inner Harbor, Annapolis, the magothy, Rock Hall, St Michaels,...there are many things to do in this area for day and weekend trips. Without getting too personal, I guess you are trying to avoid the 5% excise tax. Between fuel, travel both in your car and boat, annual pers propert tax, are the savings that much? Also, once you pay, you are done and can take the boat wherever you want without worying the very substantial penalties. For what its worth, the 5 % does go entirely into supporting boating and the Bay and not into the general tax fund.
 
RIck,

Between the property tax, slip fees, yard and maintainance fees, John will save thousands.
I pay $135 a month for my slip (34' boat) includes water and electric. How much do you pay?
 
Hi Rick - I do agree there is a lot to do in the North part of the bay. There is also a lot to do in the southern part. I want to be able to explore the rivers and am more inclined to stay south for that reason. With regards to tax. I will only be here 2 years. Maybe a third year if I extend which is doubtful. At that rate, in VA my approx. tax for both boats is about $800 per year or $2400. VA does not register documented vessels so there is no fee there other than $30 (from memory) for the decal. In MD it would be nearly $6000 up front. Marina fees are another thing at 2-4000 additional annually. And if what I have been reading about some of the coastal cities is true and they start adding on "value taxes" at the more popular destinations... Well then it is a no brainer where I will boat. From the area that I am looking at, Annapolis is 70-90 miles by boat. Plenty of ability to go for a weekend trip to those areas.
 
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Hey John, I live in Derwood, right next to Rockville. Are the tax benefits really that substantial? When our boat is here on the Chesapeake we have kept her on the Middle River or in Baltimore. There is so much good boating between Middle River and Annapolis on both sides of the Bay. It takes me under 1 hour to get to Baltimore during rush hour on one of the back routes and 45 minutes withour traffic. With Balt Inner Harbor, Annapolis, the magothy, Rock Hall, St Michaels,...there are many things to do in this area for day and weekend trips. Without getting too personal, I guess you are trying to avoid the 5% excise tax. Between fuel, travel both in your car and boat, annual pers propert tax, are the savings that much? Also, once you pay, you are done and can take the boat wherever you want without worying the very substantial penalties. For what its worth, the 5 % does go entirely into supporting boating and the Bay and not into the general tax fund.

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Too much to do on the Bay! I would rather play than drive. Hour to boat is better for me. I've never boated on the Potomac or in Woodbridge, but I know someone who has, and he's been on the Bay the past 3 years. He loves the Bay. He also said that the Potomac has a lot of debris and wood in the water.
 
You could look at Goose Bay Marina...this is a marina / campground on the Potomac. MD side. Think SMIB's There is also Colonial Beach VA. There is about 5 or more Marinas there. If your wanting to go south to the northern neck. Look at Kinsale. This is one of the places we go to over and over. They have a nice restaurant, a good pool, nice piers and are about 5 miles off of the bay. Also you should look at Solomans Island ( MD ) I know you dont want to be in Maryland but your going to find out staying in VA. is going to cost you a use tax. A lot of boaters in MD are from VA.
 
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Originally posted by Silver Lining

Hey John, I live in Derwood, right next to Rockville. Are the tax benefits really that substantial? When our boat is here on the Chesapeake we have kept her on the Middle River or in Baltimore. There is so much good boating between Middle River and Annapolis on both sides of the Bay. It takes me under 1 hour to get to Baltimore during rush hour on one of the back routes and 45 minutes withour traffic. With Balt Inner Harbor, Annapolis, the magothy, Rock Hall, St Michaels,...there are many things to do in this area for day and weekend trips. Without getting too personal, I guess you are trying to avoid the 5% excise tax. Between fuel, travel both in your car and boat, annual pers propert tax, are the savings that much? Also, once you pay, you are done and can take the boat wherever you want without worying the very substantial penalties. For what its worth, the 5 % does go entirely into supporting boating and the Bay and not into the general tax fund.

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Too much to do on the Bay! I would rather play than drive. Hour to boat is better for me. I've never boated on the Potomac or in Woodbridge, but I know someone who has, and he's been on the Bay the past 3 years. He loves the Bay. He also said that the Potomac has a lot of debris and wood in the water.

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Funny I boat on the river and I have not seen the wood you talk about. but there is a lot of fun times to be had....I guess this goes wherever you might go though.
 
Just to revisit the traffic discussion, when I was covering the mid-atlantic states I made the trip from the DC area to Fredricksburg at least once a month. Used to stay in the new Hampton Inn on the south side of Fredricksburg. Traffic on I-95S was always bumper-to-bumper, stop and go from the beltway nearly down to Quantico and that's at 3:00 PM. Not a pleasant ride.
 
I will be heading down there next week. Not on a friday unfortunately.
 
John,
Are you going to visit any others besides Ingram and Olverson's?
 
John

Just another vote for Olverson's, we are there and could not be happier. The rates are good, the people are really decent and Freddie is jsut a good guy.

MD is still the state that wants to ban ANY discharges (and will probably get their way sooner or later), owns the water up to the VA shoreline so it annoys the crap out of me that they can enact laws that affect me a Virginian, charges a ton for taxes, and are not really boater friendly at all, never have been - in spite of what they say.

You can pay more for slippage just around the corner in Kinsale or Cole's Point but not sure what you would be getting that is better than olverson's - newer perhaps, but not better. Some of the other area marinas have issues with dust, fish smell, access and the like. Lodge Creek is a good hurricane hole.

Mikee, the traffic is still a real nuisance anytime day or night on I-95, anywhere and really bad between DC and Richmond and sadly there is no rhyme or reason for it...just take your chances or use the alternates. Rt 3/301 is not a lot better
 
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