Mandatory Licensing

See, Capt, our basic difference is you believe in the nanny state thinking gov't actually cares. You believe they can do something because it's the right and safe thing to do. And I believe in reality.

Solution? Voluntary Boater Ed courses. Most people cite a USCG statistic that 66% of the people in accidents didn't take a safety course. Well I look at it that 33% DID have a safe boating certificate and STILL got in an accident. But someone somewhere made money. A way to encourage Boater Ed participation is when a new boat is purchased the dealer arrange for the purchaser to attend a class. Yeah...the dealer take some responsibility. We the community take responsibility for ourselves and encourage those we know to take a course. I wasn't required but I did. I want to be as safe as I can be. The real source of problems is just what you endorse. Taking responsibility off the individual and try and legislate safety through gov't intervention. All you'll do is have people with certificates in accidents because they HAVE to take the course.
 
Nanny State? Your reading from the wrong program.. Maybe you would understand better if I suggested that my remedy is more in line with Pavlos Dogs training of conditioned response : FINES hurt the pocket , SO you don't want to hurt the pocket and receive those Hefty fines, then obey the law.
End result is a safer boating environment that WE ALL can enjoy with our family's, simply by obeying the LAW. Just enforce those laws on the books.
FWIW Persons who get into boating usually start off with a used boat to get familiar with the water, not many people I know can afford a NEW boat as a first boat so If you require a registration then you should also require a completed boater safety course certificate given before you receive your papers, that MAY help.
 
yes Mike, Those are the others, though I think the order should be reversed interms of importance.
 
I'm all for more boaters education and with some of the idiots we have spinning around the pacnorwest, I think registration might slow some of the dumbness down some....last yr we had a gentleman and his wife go out in 8ft waves and hi winds..he forgot to put a hatch on the deck and water was coming in...he was so stupid he didn't have a radio...didn't dawn a life vest..or gps..and only had a cell phone to call for help....needless to say he sank...and several people risked thier lives to rescue this idiot....so...just basic registration and education might...just might have kept this from happening....they survived and the boat was a total loss ...and this idiot should have known better....but that's just one incident that happens here each yr...so...I'm for it...it may not help...but it may just save a life....or two...
 
Willie,You say you don't care what Va does, well you should. We all should care what these damfools in our respective legislatures do as it erodes the freedoms of all. I said to my representative that I object to having to present a Master's ticket to some pencilneck who will charge me a yet to be specified fee to issue me a cute little card that I must carry while operating my boat, the fine for not doing that IS already specified..$250.00...They didn't even have a clear cut agenda of how to write or administer this fiasco, but it got put in the hopper for this year.
Perhaps I should start a company designing a test and administering it, I have some experience in that field from my Navy days.
I spoke 2 years ago to my guy about a simple plan to keep crabpots out of the channels, he never did a thing except to tell me what a great idea it was....useless all of them.
 
"Perhaps I should start a company designing a test and administering it, I have some experience in that field from my Navy days."

Go for it... the licenses are coming whether we like it or not. You might as well make some money off it, and you'll help the folks who need the training.
 
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Originally posted by captchas

... End result is a safer boating environment that WE ALL can enjoy with our family's, simply by obeying the LAW. Just enforce those laws on the books. ...

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Now we agree on something. We have enough laws to cover anything that happens on the water so enforce them. But look where the manpower expendetures are going. I've seen boats boarded two and three times in the same day in the same cove by three different agencies. Why? Looking to make money on fines.

They have to finance all those new homeland security toys some way. Saftey would dictate the fining of those breaking the law. But we're too busy making money to do that. And safety suffers. Everyone is complaining about those operating their vessels in an unsafe manner. How come we see it and the authorities don't? Because they're spending their time making money on boardings. And licensing is just another money making scheme.

As far as the situation mentioned above about a new boater going out in 8 ft seas, well my only reply is stupid is as stupid does. A license with it's attached safety course would not help if the person can't even recognize a safety hazard in bad sea conditions. They would go out anyways. Let Darwinism do it's work.
 
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Originally posted by stmbtwle

"Perhaps I should start a company designing a test and administering it, I have some experience in that field from my Navy days."

Go for it... the licenses are coming whether we like it or not. You might as well make some money off it, and you'll help the folks who need the training.

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I rest my case. Licensing is a money making scheme...in more ways than one.

And nothing is a forgone conclusion in a free society. It IS a FREE society isn't it? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
 
Maybe I am looking at this issue through too narrowly a focused lens because in any form of licensing we would be exempt as would many others. We do not operate in landlocked waters and we are no longer residents of the U.S. Hells Bells I have not owned a car for almost 2 years and my DL has expired.

I have no doubt that those who favor licensing will eventually get what they want and the majority of boaters will have to obtain their little piece of paper (another form of government control over your life and a little less freedom for everyone). That little piece of paper will have to be presented to any law enforcement official along with your identity papers, travel permits, proof of citizenship, homeland security documents, DL and who knows what else the government pencil necks can think of.

You think I an joking or taking this to the extreme? There are already moves afoot to compel U.S. citizens to carry a "National ID Card" and while so far those efforts have failed the proponents of such a requirement have not given up and yet another licensing requirement is NOTHING more than a way to move further down that road.

Those of you who are in favor of vessel operator licensing need to look up the true meaning of the word government or to govern. The true meaning is "To Control" people and those of you who are in favor of licensing must feel the need to control the actions of others or at the very least feel the illusion of control. The safety issue if nothing more than a smoke screen, people drive drunk, they boat drunk, they drive on drugs, they boat on drugs, they drive without a DL, they will boat without a BL. Nothing will change that and the courts are overcrowded as it is. Do those of you who favor licensing really believe ANYTHING will change? Are you that naive ?

SeaQuest OE
Another beautiful day at Rum Cay
 
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Originally posted by Capndick

Willie,You say you don't care what Va does, well you should. We all should care what these damfools in our respective legislatures do as it erodes the freedoms of all. I said to my representative that I object to having to present a Master's ticket to some pencilneck who will charge me a yet to be specified fee to issue me a cute little card that I must carry while operating my boat, the fine for not doing that IS already specified..$250.00...They didn't even have a clear cut agenda of how to write or administer this fiasco, but it got put in the hopper for this year.
Perhaps I should start a company designing a test and administering it, I have some experience in that field from my Navy days.
I spoke 2 years ago to my guy about a simple plan to keep crabpots out of the channels, he never did a thing except to tell me what a great idea it was....useless all of them.
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Maybe you should get involved in NASBLA. It has an Education Committee, a Law Enforcement Committee, and lots more. Become a member and you'll be able to attend their conferences. You can weigh in on all the matters that concern you, and talk face-to-face with the top people in the country on all of this stuff.
 
You cry of Govt. control the other guy moans of authority 's control,
MAYBE you don't realize we are now living in perilous times .
I am all for boardings by L.E. and the USCG to root out illegals and miscreants while running a safety check to a vessel, I wholeheartedly encourage it!
Having I.D. on board is a must, were you aware that boats are stolen all the time and used for illegal purposes?
National ID could only help clean up a scourge of illegals, criminals and terrorists who
have invaded our Great Country. The thought of That must make liberals cry.
Preferably a license for operating a motor craft and a National ID would make things nice and neat also safer for ALL concerned. HOO-AH!
 
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Originally posted by captchas

You cry of Govt. control the other guy moans of authority 's control,
MAYBE you don't realize we are now living in perilous times .
I am all for boardings by L.E. and the USCG to root out illegals and miscreants while running a safety check to a vessel, I wholeheartedly encourage it!
Having I.D. on board is a must, were you aware that boats are stolen all the time and used for illegal purposes?
National ID could only help clean up a scourge of illegals, criminals and terrorists who
have invaded our Great Country. The thought of That must make liberals cry.
Preferably a license for operating a motor craft and a National ID would make things nice and neat also safer for ALL concerned. HOO-AH!

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WoW! Sounds a lot like someone whats a Totalitarian state and was schooled by Karl Marx and Joseph Stalin.

SeaQuest OE (I am going diving the poop is getting a bit too much here today.
 
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