Correct. I can't remember the exact buoys, but I believe you head northeast from buoy 24 and then southeast to buoy 28, bypassing the skinny water at buoys 26 and 27. It was like making an upside down V out of the channel and then back to the channel. Supposedly the channel is still there and deep at high tide, but they removed the markers. If you have the track in your GPS, you would just follow it exactly. I don't remember what year this alternate channel was marked.
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Correct. I can't remember the exact buoys, but I believe you head northeast from buoy 24 and then southeast to buoy 28, bypassing the skinny water at buoys 26 and 27. It was like making an upside down V out of the channel and then back to the channel. Supposedly the channel is still there and deep at high tide, but they removed the markers. If you have the track in your GPS, you would just follow it exactly. I don't remember what year this alternate channel was marked.
This is what the NE/SE cut kinda looked like: https://www.evernote.com/shard/s84/...2b36356ce064/c8a54e5fe79369e3940942daaaddb9de
Figures. Was looking forward to a trip out that way this year with my new boat. Not worth the risk or hassle though. Looks like any trips we plan will be heading west and either up the Hudson or in the Long Island Sound. Both are beautiful by boat and plenty deep. Or maybe even try something in Jersey. Although I think a lot of places there are really shallow too.
Heading west is a really easy trip and not having to constantly worry about depth is nice.
Between Moriches being basically impassable, the buoys off of Lindenhurst being off station, Amityville cut being shallow on the north end, and the entrance to Zack's Bay seemingly narrower than ever, it's getting to be a real pain.
Honestly, if I didn't own the property where I dock my boat I think I'd abandon the sand box and seriously consider keeping it on the North Shore.
Heading west is a really easy trip and not having to constantly worry about depth is nice.
Between Moriches being basically impassable, the buoys off of Lindenhurst being off station, Amityville cut being shallow on the north end, and the entrance to Zack's Bay seemingly narrower than ever, it's getting to be a real pain.
Honestly, if I didn't own the property where I dock my boat I think I'd abandon the sand box and seriously consider keeping it on the North Shore.
Here is a posting from the Waterway Guide. I make an annual trip to Maine from Copiague and draw 4.5 feet. I've passed through here for many, many years at peak high tide without a problem. I guess this year it's either the ocean or head west ????
NY: Long Island, Moriches Bay, shoaling - UPDATE
Date Reported: Jun 22, 2017
Reporter: Ted Stehle
Source: CG 1st District LNM 01252017
Description:
6/22/17: NY-SHINNECOCK BAY TO EAST ROCKAWAY INLET (Chart 12352)-MORICHES BAY
Severe shoaling conditions continue to impact navigation at the entrance to Moriches Inlet and Moriches Bay. It is considered unsafe for mariners to attempt to navigate Moriches Inlet at any time, and buoys are no longer maintained in the inlet. Severe shoaling is also present in Moriches Bay along the Long Island Intracoastal Waterway in the vicinity of Moriches Bay Buoys 17, 18, 21, 26, 27, 28 and 29 extending the entire width of the channel at nearly all tide levels. The area from Buoy 17 to 21 is navigable only at high tide. The most severe area of shoaling can be found between buoys 26 and 27 and is less than 3 ft. Shoaling is also reported in the vicinity of Moriches Inlet East Cut Buoys 3E and 5E.
Mariners should be aware that the Aids to Navigation in these areas are unreliable due to shoaling and mariners are strongly advised to seek alternate routes.
Because of the severe conditions in Moriches Bay the U.S. Coast Guard is considering making the following change to Aids to Navigation:
DISCONTINUE the following aids:
Moriches Bay Buoy 17 (LLNR 30300)
Moriches Bay Buoy 17A (LLNR 30303)
Moriches Bay Lighted Buoy 18 (LLNR 30305)
Moriches Bay Buoy 20 (LLNR 30320)
Moriches Bay Buoy 21 (LLNR 30315)
ESTABLISH the following aids, each aid will be white and orange with an orange diamond and marked "DANGER SEVERE SHOALING AHEAD" and located to the east and west of the most severe shoaling in the vicinity of buoys 17 to 21;
Moriches Bay West Warning Buoy in approximate position 40-46-37N 072-46-22W
Moriches Bay East Warning Buoy in approximate position 40-46-37N 072-46-22W
Interested Mariners are strongly encouraged to comment on this proposal in writing, either personally or through their organization. All comments will be carefully considered and are requested prior to 18 August 2017 to complete the process. In order to most effectively consider your feedback and improve the data collection, when responding to this proposal, please include size and type of vessel, recreational or commercial, and distance from aid that you start looking for it, and if and how you use the signal. Please do not call the Coast Guard via
telephone or other means, only written responses to this proposal will be accepted. Refer to Project No. 01-17-054. E-mail can be sent to:
D01-SMB-DPWPublicCommentsrb2@gr5tuscg.mil .
9/29/16: Shoaling has been reported in Moriches Bay along the Long Island Intercostal Waterway in the vicinity of Moriches Bay Buoy 17,18, 21, 26, 27, 28 and 29 extending the entire width of the channel and at any tide level. The most severe area of shoaling can be found between buoys 26 and 27 and is less than 3 ft. Shoaling is also reported in Moriches Inlet in the vicinity of Moriches Inlet East Cut Buoys 3E and 5E. Mariners should be aware that the Aids to Navigation in these areas have been deemed unreliable due to shoaling and mariners are advised to seek alternate routes. If transiting these areas, do so only at high tide and
proceed slowly and with extreme caution.
NY: Long Island, Moriches Bay, shoaling - UPDATE
Date Reported: Jun 22, 2017
Reporter: Ted Stehle
Source: CG 1st District LNM 01252017
Description:
6/22/17: NY-SHINNECOCK BAY TO EAST ROCKAWAY INLET (Chart 12352)-MORICHES BAY
Severe shoaling conditions continue to impact navigation at the entrance to Moriches Inlet and Moriches Bay. It is considered unsafe for mariners to attempt to navigate Moriches Inlet at any time, and buoys are no longer maintained in the inlet. Severe shoaling is also present in Moriches Bay along the Long Island Intracoastal Waterway in the vicinity of Moriches Bay Buoys 17, 18, 21, 26, 27, 28 and 29 extending the entire width of the channel at nearly all tide levels. The area from Buoy 17 to 21 is navigable only at high tide. The most severe area of shoaling can be found between buoys 26 and 27 and is less than 3 ft. Shoaling is also reported in the vicinity of Moriches Inlet East Cut Buoys 3E and 5E.
Mariners should be aware that the Aids to Navigation in these areas are unreliable due to shoaling and mariners are strongly advised to seek alternate routes.
Because of the severe conditions in Moriches Bay the U.S. Coast Guard is considering making the following change to Aids to Navigation:
DISCONTINUE the following aids:
Moriches Bay Buoy 17 (LLNR 30300)
Moriches Bay Buoy 17A (LLNR 30303)
Moriches Bay Lighted Buoy 18 (LLNR 30305)
Moriches Bay Buoy 20 (LLNR 30320)
Moriches Bay Buoy 21 (LLNR 30315)
ESTABLISH the following aids, each aid will be white and orange with an orange diamond and marked "DANGER SEVERE SHOALING AHEAD" and located to the east and west of the most severe shoaling in the vicinity of buoys 17 to 21;
Moriches Bay West Warning Buoy in approximate position 40-46-37N 072-46-22W
Moriches Bay East Warning Buoy in approximate position 40-46-37N 072-46-22W
Interested Mariners are strongly encouraged to comment on this proposal in writing, either personally or through their organization. All comments will be carefully considered and are requested prior to 18 August 2017 to complete the process. In order to most effectively consider your feedback and improve the data collection, when responding to this proposal, please include size and type of vessel, recreational or commercial, and distance from aid that you start looking for it, and if and how you use the signal. Please do not call the Coast Guard via
telephone or other means, only written responses to this proposal will be accepted. Refer to Project No. 01-17-054. E-mail can be sent to:
D01-SMB-DPWPublicCommentsrb2@gr5tuscg.mil .
9/29/16: Shoaling has been reported in Moriches Bay along the Long Island Intercostal Waterway in the vicinity of Moriches Bay Buoy 17,18, 21, 26, 27, 28 and 29 extending the entire width of the channel and at any tide level. The most severe area of shoaling can be found between buoys 26 and 27 and is less than 3 ft. Shoaling is also reported in Moriches Inlet in the vicinity of Moriches Inlet East Cut Buoys 3E and 5E. Mariners should be aware that the Aids to Navigation in these areas have been deemed unreliable due to shoaling and mariners are advised to seek alternate routes. If transiting these areas, do so only at high tide and
proceed slowly and with extreme caution.
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Anyone been out fire island inlet?
I heard it also has some shoaling issues.
I heard it also has some shoaling issues.
Went out Fire Island inlet Sunday morning on a friend's boat to fish. Ocean conditions were rough and the inlet was sloppy but we got through with no problems. Tide was fairly low and my friend said the shallowest he saw was about 9'.
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Do a search as I recently saw something from sea tow about where the shoaling is in FI inlet.
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I have not confirmed this yet, however this is what i hear from people in that area..
To head east you now need to turn south at G15 heading to inlet, follow markers around inlet keeping "inlet cut" markers to your north when passing 3E & 5E, then when you get to R24 you head straight towards Remsenburg marine this is the old "north pass" that gets you around 25-28. once your back in "safe water" head to R30.
if anyone makes the trip please post track & depth as well as tide info..
To head east you now need to turn south at G15 heading to inlet, follow markers around inlet keeping "inlet cut" markers to your north when passing 3E & 5E, then when you get to R24 you head straight towards Remsenburg marine this is the old "north pass" that gets you around 25-28. once your back in "safe water" head to R30.
if anyone makes the trip please post track & depth as well as tide info..
I got similar input. 2 friends have made it through by going down toward the inlet to past 17-20 and then in closer to shore to get by 26-27.
I was told that they went through at high tide and they churned up but didn't hit. One of these boats drafts about 3 and the other probably a bit over 4.
Your info was more specific than mine as to exactly how to do it though.
Considering trying to pass east through Moriches Bay tomorrow 7/2 just before high tide. I marked a course that takes me North East just past marker 24 on my plotter and then once into deeper water south east to marker 30. I draw just about 3 feet. I have navionic charts and made the course up based on the contour lines. I know this is a gamble and the contours are constantly changing. From the earlier posts here it sounds as if this is the older channel. I can not figure out how to post the picture of it. Any thoughts, comments, or suggestions?
Spoke with Sea Tow and they said that it's best to run south around the island from green 15 towards the inlet then back up with greens on the port side. Then angle north east half way between red 24 and 26 aiming right of Havens Point. There is one shallow section (about 3 feet). Then it drops off, from there head towards red 30. Easy Peasey, right? Hope the ocean cooperates tomorrow. Will report back in with results.
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Ocean is flat this morning. Should be the best option.
Looking at the ocean reports now. Think that's the way I am going.Works better for me time wise as well. Looks like I will have to try much luck through Moriches another day. Mintregila where did you get your ocean report from? A web site or first hand?
I understand it's possible to leave the east west channel and head NE towards Havens Point. At high tide there is enough water for a 5' draft to pass. Once in deeper water towards Havens Pt then head directly SE towards buoy 30. Unfortunately this route is not marked and requires local knowledge - SeaTow or Towboat. Has anyone tried this ?