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Dave Cook

Dave Cook

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Hi everyone . My wife and I have cruised the Great Lakes and the Keys in Florida on our previous R 27 Ranger Tug '' Bucketlist " . We Traded it on a 2018 R-27 with 25 hours on it , with the local Ranger Tug dealer in June 2020 . Hull issues on the day it was shipped to us have kept us dry docked since then .
Repairs on my dime have been scheduled for May 2021 and we hope to be boating on the Great Lakes for July . The name of this boat is '' Lemon -Aid ''
If you see us at anchor or a marina , stop in and say hi ! ( and you can hear the rest of the story ... as Paul Harvey use to say ) . DSCN8395 (1).JPG
 
Welcome!! Sure hope you get that issue resolved. Assume the issue not warranty.
We have quite knowledgeable members on a variety of issues if you would care for some advice or ideas.
 
This sounds like a sad story. We're good listeners. Are you sure you're not annoying the boat gods with the choice of name? :oops:
 
Welcome. If you are ever in the central basin of Lake Erie give me a shout. We have an anchorage or I can try and get you on our guest dock
Good Luck
Niles
Ashtabula Yacht Club
 
Welcome! Curious to know why you went from the same make/model/size to the same make/model/size again.
 
We went with the R 27 again because my wife didn't want to go displacement speeds that the 2013 was ( I loved that boat ) Wife wanted to go faster , so new R 27 is a planing hull . Your right Nancy , I might be making the boat gods mad with the boat name , but we thought it was fitting . I was shocked the hull is less than 1/4 '' thick at the V of the keel area ( not really a keel ) . I guess the brand turned me off when the said no one was responsible for the damage ( even though they admitted water was in the V birth before shipping boat to me )
 

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Just curious, what impacted the hull to cause that damage?
 
We believe it happened in blocking ( no evidence of hitting anything ). - at 1 of 3 spots in our opinion , 1- plant , 2- in freight from Washington state to Ontario , a long trip ,or 3- at the dealership . I have the whole story and background info on my website and videos .
 
Not knowing Canadian law, do you plan on a law suit, small claims court, or full blown law suit?
 
Kinda sucks. Nobody expects issues on a boat with only 25 hours. But, the time for survey is at the purchase. I wonder if the boat was dropped and with "no apparent damge" people just proceeded as if nothing happened.
 
Yes , that is possible . The thing that bothers me is they knew it was leaking water from somewhere , and they said it was '' just the air conditioner discharge hose '' . Answer for the other question above - We are looking at all possibilities to get the costs involved covered .
 
I have to ask...did you have the boat surveyed prior to purchase?
 
I read the story on your web site, and watched some of the video's. Have to admit, I'm a bit confused. The broker told you that the transport company must have damaged the hull. You told him that it wasn't possible, because you "had inspected the load" -- but I believe you have also stated your opinion that the hull was already broken when it was delivered to you - and in fact already broken when the original owner purchased the boat? What am I missing here?

If I'm following, this boat was delivered to a dealer, sold to the original owner who used some kind of railway to haul it in and out of the water, delivered to the broker, sold to you ( without a hull inspection), delivered by truck to you, and then hauled out - and somewhere in this three year chain of events it was dropped on a block which broke the hull? And you are hoping the manufacturer, who shipped this boat out the door in 2018, will pay for the repairs?

I'm also not clear what role the dealership played in the sale. Did they own the boat, and sell it to you? Or simply broker the boat, which you bought from the original owner?
 
If I am reading your story correctly, you bought a used boat with no pre-purchase survey. After purchase there was a water intrusion issue and hull damage discovered. You speculate that the hull was damaged during delivery to the original owner, if that were the case would they not have had the same water problem? You note that they had the boat stored on a railway in a boathouse , you also note that the boat was also transported by trailer at least once, both possible sources of the damage. I'm sorry Dave, but you have a lot of conjecture and speculation in your story, and it seems that there are many more likely places for the damage to have been done after it left the factory. Did the surveyor you hired after discovering the damage determine that it was likely to have been Ranger Tug's fault?

I think you unfortunately learned the hard way that a pre-purchase survey is a critical part of any purchase, especially of a used boat. I never buy a used car without having a trusted mechanic check it out, and would NEVER but a used boat of any significant cost without a survey. I hope it all gets resolved for you and you enjoy your boat, with the problems becoming nothing but a memory...and a costly lesson.
 
I have had boats ( and had boats surveyed ) for over 25 years . Yes i did not get this 25 hour , boat surveyed . The boat i bought was brought into inventory at the Ontario Ranger tug dealer . I saw it briefly in a boat house before it went into the dealership .
I had met the owners and salesman of the dealership at Ranger Rendezvous for a couple years and my wife and I seemed to think the dealership could be trusted .
When they had a buyer for our 2013 Ranger Tug ( which wanted it right away ) we faced the dilemma and rushed ( bad idea ) to make the deal on 2018 Ranger to save the 20 K in taxes ( because we had a trade ) . The dealership said they would go over the 2018 and the boat was already in water since a day or two before . We did a short water test and everything appeared to be ok .
I did things i thought i would never do , i never buy the first production year of something ( i did , 2018 was new ) -- never boat a bought without a survey ( did this time ..... bad results of a boat some consider a demo ... ) -- never put too much trust in a dealership --
I think that boaters should even get a new boat surveyed now ( even inspected during stages of build ) . The 2018 has serious ABYC electrical infractions also , that the factory will not repair ( they get out of it because no warranty as i am technically the 2 nd owner ) . I was '' deactivated '' nice way of saying kicked off for asking JFRANO a question on Tugnuts about his boat with a hull crack ( not from hitting anything ) . The post i asked that question was pulled in under an hour and i was kicked off , as the email i got , a request to the moderator from the VP of sales of Ranger Tugs .
They will not tell me about the "" unknown '' freight company that the Ontario dealer used to move the 2018 from the plant . They won't use the factory company as they are too expensive . So who knows how the boat was blocked /strapped / stressed on this 3000 mile trip , or whatever it is .
The freight company I used to move the boat from the dealer to my marina was i company i knew and marinas in the area used . The hydraulic pads on the trailer are not even close to the damaged area . The damage , you can't see unless you are directly laying under the boat , due to chines etc. I am a one finger type guy , so i will leave it there . There is so much more to the story i can't tell you , but Ranger Tugs say ''you are part of the family '' I feel like i have been '' banished from the village ''
 
Sorry to hear this happened to you. I agree that a survey for a new boat is a very good idea - especially when you are getting into this price range. Cars and houses have many consumer protections in the law, at least in most states and federally in the US. But boats? I think you are sort of on your own, even with new. But used, and brokered? It all lands on you unfortunately.

Please be careful how much info you divulge online - if you finally do get yourself into a courtroom, in my opinion the more you have revealed publicly, the worse off you end up.
 
I have to admit, I am still trying to figure out how this is Ranger Tug's fault?

If the hull was damaged during the original shipment to the first owner, how did the water intrusion problem not appear until after you bought it?

I'm not defending the manufacturer, I don't know them or even know much about them, but the story seems to have some holes in it, no pun intended,,,
 
The boat was sold to the original owner without a trailer . Was delivered from dealership, by water to the original buyers boathouse . He had a high end Naylor marine railroad installed and adjusted by the company . The boat would go out for a 2-3 hour run then back on the railroad into the boathouse . The boat never had enough time to get much water in it ( and bilge pumps would take care of that )
I had a temporary bilge pump set up to suck the water into a bucket , i would do twice , Morning and before bed . 6-7 gallons each time ( 13-14 gallons per day ( fuses out of boat bilge pumps for accurate measurements ) The Factory and Dealership had me do all the legwork ( with them telling me what to remove , what to test etc ) to narrow the problem down .
This lasted for days until I decided to pay to have the boat pulled out , and had to lay directly underneath to see the cracks . The boat keel was never blocked up after the salesman delivered the boat by water . What would you think of a salesman with a mop and bucket , mopping water out of the V birth on the morning they where to ship me the boat ? ( i already technically owned the boat as I already paid for it and the title in my name ). The boat was advertised as '' like new condition '' . Invoice from the Ontario Ranger Tug Dealer . See the '' sources '' part of my website for all the important documents , emails , texts , witness letter etc.
 
Dave, it is irrelevant whether the dealer advertised the boat as "like new"...Caveat Emptor applies...

I could go online and list my 2003 Toyota Tundra beater truck for sale "like new", it doesn't make it so...

I think we can safely say that a pre-purchase survey would have caught this problem. I am curious as to why you post a lot of your personal opinion on your website under "Survey" but do not post any of the results of the survey you had done after purchase?

I'm sincerely trying to make sense of your story here and struggling to make it fit.
 
as soon as I saw a salesman with a mop and bucket, days after I closed on the boat, what would i think? I would think I was in big trouble - because I was going to have no legal recourse to go after anyone.

Ontario Ranger Tug dealer sold this as a brokerage boat, right? Or was it a boat they owned? If it was a brokerage, and they used a standard contract - you have some slight protection for damage that occurred after acceptance, but before closing. But it does not seem like you are of the opinion that the damage occurred at this time? And even so, once you closed, that remedy is gone.

If the dealer was a broker - their legal liability is generally contained to whether the boat is free and clear of any liens - that's it. And the broker contracts typically have language, as below, which releases them from ANY liability as to the condition of the vessel. Did you sign an agreement with a clause similar to this - the YBAA standard purchase agreement ? if so, whatever he told you about the air conditioner, or anything else you were told - that doesn't matter either. Seems unfair, I suppose, but that's the law - no?

NO WARRANTIES: THE BUYER EXPRESSLY AGREES THAT NO WARRANTIES OR REPRESENTATIONS, EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED, HAVE BEEN OR WILL BE MADE DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY BY THE SELLER OR BROKERS CONCERNING THE CONDITION OR USE OF THE YACHT. THE BUYER FURTHER EXPRESSLY AGREES THAT HE HAS NOT RELIED UPON ANY ORAL REPRESENTATION BY THE SELLER OR THE BROKERS AS TO THE CONDITION OR CAPABILITY OF THE YACHT OR ITS INVENTORY. THE BUYER ALSO RECOGNIZES AND ACKNOWLEDGES THAT YACHTS AND THEIR INVENTORY MAY HAVE BOTH APPARENT AND/OR HIDDEN DEFECTS AND THE BUYER ACCEPTS RESPONSIBILITY FOR DETERMINING THE CONDITION OF THE YACHT, ITS INVENTORY, AND THE EXISTENCE OF ANY DEFECTS.
 
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