NJ Boat/Drivers License Renewal Warning!

NPH,

My card and 3 cards for my family members have not been issued as of today. What should I do to follow up on this?
 
if you get stopped in NJ and your boat is registered in another state and you have a driver's license in another state, i am willing to be that the CG or NJ state police have a list of all states and if your state has a licensing requirement they will require it to be presented. For example, I have a VA license. If stopped on the family boat that is registered in NJ i expect that they would want to see my VA certificate that I got online since VA allows online testing. Since I will be on a boat that is registered in NJ i expect that they will question whether I am in NJ for 90 days and thus subject to their more rigorous testing - my response will be that I am not and the boat is not registered to me. End of story.
 
Not as simple as you think.

For example if you wish to operate my NJ registered PWC and you are stopped without a NJ safety cert then we are BOTH in trouble. Me for allowing an "unqualified" operator and you for being "unqualified". NJ does not accept online testing as valid safety courses.

Notice I put "unqualified" in quotes as I don't mean to imply you are not qualified but thats the way the state of NJ sees it.
 
So what happens if I go to the other side of the Hudson RIver, techically I'm out of NJ waters???? If I do this once every 89 days.....
 
quote:

Originally posted by dominic

quote:

Originally posted by nph

...........The edorsemnent on your drivers license, is only for non tidal waters.........





Scott:

I agree that that is how it used to be. However, according to Rommer's original post, that may not be the way it is being administered any longer. From what Rommer stated, if you do not show a boating safety certificate at the MVC, you Don't get the endorsement on your NJ DL.....regardless of whether you boat on a lake or on the Atlantic Ocean.

So, back to my original inquiry, the fact that you have the endorsement on your NJ DL (again, according to Rommer's recent experience) is proof positive that you would have already proven to the State of NJ that you did pass the NJ Safe Boating Course. My real question is whether or not the NJ Marine Police know this.








Dominic,

I have never had to show my Boater Safety Cert, to renew my license. Until NJ State Police say otherwise, I will continue to carry my Boater Safety Cert with me, Even when I am running a charter with my USCG "Captains License" with me. The Motor vehicle license does not mean anything in tidal waters, in fact you do not need a motor vehicle license at all in tidal water.
 
quote:

Originally posted by Robyns Nest

So what happens if I go to the other side of the Hudson RIver, techically I'm out of NJ waters???? If I do this once every 89 days.....






I would contact who ever gave you your Boater Safety Course. They should be able to follow up with NJSP to get you your certs. When you finished the course, did they give you, your pink, copy of the application. This works as a temp cert until your permanet one comes in.

Scott
 
Let's try again.....
You're passing through New Jersey in a New York registered boat.........New York does NOT require a certificate.......what happens if you're stopped in New Jersey?
 
You would be in violation of NJ law and subject to a summons. If you want to operate a boat in NJ waters you are required to have taken an approved water safety class. IIRC the Coast Guard Aux course and power squadron courses are approved courses but I haven't been able to find a ref. to quote on that yet.

More in a bit... Found sources will post.
 
Here is the law as written.

"12:7-61 Operation of power vessels, personal watercraft; boat safety course
requirements; violations
A person who is under 16 years of age shall not operate a power vessel on the waters of this State,
except that:

(1) a person who is under 16 years of age but at least 13 years of age and possesses a
certificate certifying that person's successful completion of a boat safety course approved by the
Superintendent of State Police in the Department of Law and Public Safety may operate:

(a) a power vessel powered solely by an electric motor; or

(b) a power vessel which is 12 feet or greater in length and powered by a motor, or
combination of motors, of less than 10 horsepower;

(2) A person who is under 16 years of age and has successfully completed an
approved boat safety course prior to July 1, 1996 may operate a power vessel on the tidal waters
of this State, provided that the person complies with all other requirements of law, rule and
regulation; and

(3) A person who is under 16 years of age and was issued an operator's license
pursuant to section 7 of P.L.1954, c.236 (C.12:7-34.7) before July 1, 1996 may operate a power
vessel equipped with an outboard motor until the expiration date of that license.

b. As provided in the schedule set forth in section 7 of P.L.2005, c.292, as of June 1,
2008, a person who is 16 years of age or older shall not operate a power vessel, including a
personal watercraft, on the waters of this State without having completed a boat safety course
approved by the Superintendent of State Police in the Department of Law and Public Safety,
except that:

(1) (Deleted by amendment, P.L.2005, c.292).

(2) an out-of-State resident, or a resident of a foreign country who is 16 years of age
or older and who will be in this State for less than 90 days may operate a power vessel on the
waters of this State, without having completed a boat safety course approved by the
Superintendent of State Police in the Department of Law and Public Safety if the person presents:

(i) written proof of successful completion of a boat safety course endorsed or
approved by another state, the National Association of State Boating Law Administrators or its
successor organization, or the United States Coast Guard;

(ii) written proof of successful completion of a boat safety course substantially similar
to the boat safety course required pursuant to this section as determined by the Superintendent of
State Police; or

(iii) a boat safety certificate issued by the state or country in which the person resides;

(3) a person who is 18 years of age or older may operate on the waters of this State,
without having completed a boat safety course approved by the Superintendent of State Police in
the Department of Law and Public Safety, a rented power vessel that is not a personal watercraft,
under the following conditions:

(a) the person rents the power vessel from a business engaged in renting power vessels
for use on the waters of the State;

(b) the person has successfully completed a State-approved pre-rental instruction
course provided by the owner or lessor of the power vessel prior to operating the power vessel on
the waters of the State; and

(c) the owner of the power vessel rental business is experienced in the operation of
power vessels and has successfully completed a boat safety course approved by the
Superintendent of State Police in the Department of Law and Public Safety.

(4) A person required to take the boat safety course pursuant to this section and
section 7 of P.L.2005, c.292 who purchases a power vessel that is not a personal watercraft at a
boat dealership may operate that power vessel for 30 days without having completed a boat safety
course approved by the Superintendent of State Police in the Department of Law and Public
Safety provided that the person successfully completes a State-approved pre-purchase instruction
course provided by the owner or operator of the boat dealership prior to operating the power
vessel, and the owner or operator of the boat dealership is experienced in the operation of power
vessels and has successfully completed a boat safety course approved by the Superintendent of
State Police. The State-approved pre-purchase instruction course required by this paragraph shall
be a uniform, standardized course developed by the Superintendent of State Police. The State-
approved pre-purchase instruction course shall not replace the requirement that a person shall
successfully complete an approved boat safety course pursuant to the other provisions of
P.L.2005, c.292 (C.12:7-61.1 et al.). The provisions of this paragraph shall not apply to a person
purchasing a power vessel from another private party.

(5) A person holding a United States Coast Guard operator's license may operate a
power vessel on the waters of this State without having completed a boat safety course approved
by the Superintendent of State Police in the Department of Law and Public Safety.

The Superintendent of State Police shall establish appropriate guidelines to implement the
provisions of this subsection.

c. Except as provided pursuant to section 18 of P.L.1995, c.401 (C.12:7-86), a person
shall not operate a personal watercraft on the waters of this State without having successfully
completed a boat safety course approved by the Superintendent of State Police in the Department
of Law and Public Safety or a written test pursuant to section 8 of P.L.2005, c.292.

d. Whenever a person who is required by this section or by section 7 of P.L.1995,
c.401 (C.12:7-76), section 3 or 4 of P.L.1952, c.157 (C.12:7-46 or C.12:7-47), or section 9 of
P.L.1986, c.39 (C.12:7-57) to have completed a boat safety course operates a power vessel or
personal watercraft, as appropriate, on the waters of this State, that person shall have in
possession a certificate certifying that person's successful completion of a boat safety course
approved by the superintendent and shall, when requested to do so, exhibit the certificate to a law
enforcement or peace officer of this State. Failure of the person to exhibit the certificate is
presumptive evidence that the person has not completed an approved boat safety course.

e. A person who violates subsection a., b., c. or d. of this section or who exhibits to a
law enforcement or peace officer a certificate of completion of an approved boat safety course of
another person is subject to a fine of not less than $100 nor more than $500.

f. A person who owns or has control or custody of a power vessel and allows the
power vessel to be operated on the waters of this State by a person who is required pursuant to the
provisions of this section to possess a certificate certifying successful completion of a boat safety
course but who does not possess such certificate is subject to a fine of not more than $100.

g. A person making application to the Chief Administrator of the New Jersey Motor
Vehicle Commission for a power vessel operator's license issued pursuant to section 3 of
P.L.1995, c.401 (C.12:7-72) who is required pursuant to the provisions of this section to possess a
certificate certifying successful completion of a boat safety course shall submit proof of
successful completion of the course or the written examination for experienced boaters with the
application. The chief administrator shall not issue a power vessel operator's license to such
person who fails to submit this proof. A permanent State of New Jersey boating safety certificate
or a temporary boating safety certificate issued on a Division of State Police application for
boating safety certificate form shall satisfy this requirement."

You will notice no exception for out of state boaters. If you boat in NJ you must have taken, passed and carry written proof of having taken a water safety class. No cert then no operating a boat for you. The 2 exceptions are Coast Guard licensed operators and if you rent a boat from a NJ rental place.

Now what is an approved course?


" 12:7-60. Approved boat safety courses

a. The Superintendent of State Police in the Department of Law and Public Safety shall
establish a list of approved boat safety courses, offered by public or private persons or agencies
for profit or otherwise and taught by approved boat safety instructors. Approved courses shall
provide formal instruction in power vessel handling and safety. The superintendent may approve
a boat safety course upon the initiative of the superintendent or by application on a form to be
created by the superintendent.

For the purposes of this section, "approved boat safety course" means a boat safety course
that meets qualifications set forth in regulations promulgated by the Superintendent of State
Police, in consultation with the Attorney General; the regulations shall require at least eight hours
of instruction, with a minimum of six hours of classroom instruction, or, if the boat safety course
is offered via the Internet, require at least the equivalent of eight hours of instruction; whether
offered in a classroom or via the Internet, the boat safety course shall conclude with a closed-
book written examination administered by an instructor in person and present with the person
taking the written examination."

So unless the VA online course concluded with an in person closed book test it is not valid in NJ. (Yes I see the contradiction in the law above but NJ is good at that. Even if VA approves the online class, NJ does not unless the test is taken in person.)

To clearly answer Tanqueray, if you have not taken a CG or PS course and carry written proof with you, you can be ticketed and subject to a $100-$500 fine. (BTW - this is crap if you ask me!)

 
Lets put this question to bed once and for all. If you boating in NJ you must have taken a boaters safety course. If you are from out of state and just passing thru, you still need to take a course. You do not have to have a NJ Boater Safety Certificate, but you must have proof that you did take an "approved course" some where.

Here is the excert from NJ Boating Law, Title 12 Chapter 7

12:7-61 Operation of power vessels, personal watercraft; boat safety course
requirements; violations

(2) an out-of-State resident, or a resident of a foreign country who is 16 years of age
or older and who will be in this State for less than 90 days may operate a power vessel on the
waters of this State, without having completed a boat safety course approved by the
Superintendent of State Police in the Department of Law and Public Safety if the person presents:
(i) written proof of successful completion of a boat safety course endorsed or
approved by another state, the National Association of State Boating Law Administrators or its
successor organization, or the United States Coast Guard;
(ii) written proof of successful completion of a boat safety course substantially similar
to the boat safety course required pursuant to this section as determined by the Superintendent of
State Police; or
(iii) a boat safety certificate issued by the state or country in which the person resides;
(3) a person who is 18 years of age or older may operate on the waters of this State,
without having completed a boat safety course approved by the Superintendent of State Police in
the Department of Law and Public Safety, a rented power vessel that is not a personal watercraft,
under the following conditions:
(a) the person rents the power vessel from a business engaged in renting power vessels
for use on the waters of the State;
 
And from http://www.njsp.org/maritime/faq.html the NJ State Police FAQ...

Q2 I live in another state, do I need a boat safety certificate?

A2 Yes - Out-of-state residents are not exempt from the education requirement listed above; however, the law states that an out-of-State resident who is at least 16 years of age and who will be in this State for less than 90 days may operate a power vessel on the waters of the State of New Jersey if they possess a boat safety certificate issued by their state of residence, or if they possess written proof of successful completion of a boat safety course approved by another state, the National Association of State Boating Law Administrators(N.A.S.B.L.A.) or the United States Coast Guard.
 
quote:

Originally posted by nph ......The Motor vehicle license does not mean anything in tidal waters,......





Scott:

That's not the case anymore....or least it's not for most (you go to renew your NJ DL and you are born after the right decade) and won't be for everyone as time catches up.

According to Rommer's experience (and I had the exact same experience) you will NOT be able to get the boating endorsement on your NJ DL unless you can prove you have passed a NJ Boating Safety Course. By that virtue, it doesn't matter where in NJ you boat....lake or ocean....the boating endorsement will (eventually for everyone) be documentation that you have proved to the state of NJ that you passed a NJ Boating Safety course.....it already is for some.

And it makes sense to do it this way....on DL for car, motorcycle, CDL and now boat.
 
News flash:::

2 of the 4 cards showed yesterday. Only took 11 months to get half of them!!!
 
Isn't it remarkable that a person can rent a boat without taking the course? I would think that they are the highest risk out there.

No logic at all.
 
quote:

Originally posted by rommer

And from http://www.njsp.org/maritime/faq.html the NJ State Police FAQ...

Q2 I live in another state, do I need a boat safety certificate?

A2 Yes - Out-of-state residents are not exempt from the education requirement listed above; however, the law states that an out-of-State resident who is at least 16 years of age and who will be in this State for less than 90 days may operate a power vessel on the waters of the State of New Jersey if they possess a boat safety certificate issued by their state of residence, or if they possess written proof of successful completion of a boat safety course approved by another state, the National Association of State Boating Law Administrators(N.A.S.B.L.A.) or the United States Coast Guard.






The above quote is exactly true. It's pretty cut and dry.

1. If you live in NJ, you have to take an approved NJ course.

2. If you're from out of state and you pass through NJ, you have to have a certificate/license from your home state.

3. However, if you move to NJ and you try to test out of the NJ course with your previous state's certificates/license that was obtained online, they will not accept it. You must at this point retake a valid NJ course. If your course from out of state was a course in which classroom time was part of the requirement, chances are it will be an approved course. You will need to check with NJ to be sure.

I know this is 100% true because I was a resident of PA and had a boating/PWC certificate/license that I obtained from an online course. I was stopped a couple of times over the years in NJ and the license was 100% accepted. Once I moved to NJ, I had to retake the course because NJ would not let me test out despite have a valid PA license.

Doug
 
Dominic,

I stand corrected, as far as ren ewing your Boater DL, or getting a new one. But that is still only foruse on fresh, non-tidal waters or lakes, creeks or rivers not affected by tidal conditions.
The details can be found here:
http://www.state.nj.us/mvc/Licenses/Motorboat.htm

But I still stand by, if the Marine Police stop you they are going to be looking for your Boater Safety Cert, they will not care if you have a Boater endorsement on your license, unless you are in fresh non tidal water. That is just the backwards way we do things in NJ.

Robyns Nest, to me if you got 2 out of 4, either the next 2 should be there in a day or two, or there is a problem with those 2. Good Luck. The 2 you got were they the paper ones, or were the the new plastice credit card style?
 
NPH,

Nope, not the credit card type. The cheapo paper type.

I wonder if I can request a replacement and get the new style.

My kids are 10 and 13, do you think there would be a problem with the ages?
 
Robyns Nest,
lem
Yes age is the problem. The 10 year old can not get until they are 13. The 13 year old should be fine now. If he/she was under 13 when the paper work was processed, then thats why it did not come. If you just got the other 2 it sounds like you course provider sat on the cards for awhile after they got the cards. When did the 13 year old turn 13.

I know they have been doing the plastic cards for about a month.

I will try to find out how to get the 13 year old's card now.

Scott
 
I just thought I'd add to this. I was informed by one of the NJ Boating Safety course schools that you must have the card. The boat designation on the drivers license is for non-tidal waters only. They also informed me that if one has a USCG License, OUPV or higher, it suffices. You have to have your USCG License with you. They even said, a reduced copy of the USCG License will not be satisfactory. Anybody have any info like that?
 
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