NY's half of LI Sound now an NDZ apparently
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EPA Response: The criterion established pursuant to the Clean Vessel Act (CVA) for an
adequate number of pumpouts is one pumpout per 300 to 600 vessels.
Are they on drugs???? What happens when that one pumpout is broken?
If it only took 10 minutes to pump out (reality is more like 20 - 30), it would take 50 hours to pump out 300 vessels.
Obviously, they were hell bent on making this an NDZ, and no matter of reality was going to stop them.
adequate number of pumpouts is one pumpout per 300 to 600 vessels.
Are they on drugs???? What happens when that one pumpout is broken?
If it only took 10 minutes to pump out (reality is more like 20 - 30), it would take 50 hours to pump out 300 vessels.
Obviously, they were hell bent on making this an NDZ, and no matter of reality was going to stop them.
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I wonder how many pumpout's the old man is getting at $50 a pop?
Plus I don't think St. James has waterfront property!
Old Man’s Boatyard Mt. Sinai
Harbor, St.James
631-473-7330
Apr 15-Oct15; Mon-Fri;8 AM-4PM
$50 forpumpout
Plus I don't think St. James has waterfront property!
Old Man’s Boatyard Mt. Sinai
Harbor, St.James
631-473-7330
Apr 15-Oct15; Mon-Fri;8 AM-4PM
$50 forpumpout
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This is pretty crappy, no pun intended. Not that I have the ability to discharge my holding tank in the water, but the impact is pretty minimal. And there are not so many pumpout stations on the north shore.
In theory, there should be no need to pay that absurd fee to Old Man's. The Mount Sinai harbor has a free pump out at the town dock by the tower. HOWEVER - they don't always work. You might have to call the tower to get them to turn it on. And they shut it down before the fishing season is over. And the dock is pretty lousy.
There is a single pumpout station in Port Jeff harbor: on the sea wall between the town dock and the boat ramp. The dock here is pretty ratty (unstable, nails sticking out), and not very big. I have a 27 footer and it feels cramped. Plus, the station often is full. And it also shuts down before the fishing season is over. The PJ pumpout boat tools around on weekends, but is very hard to flag down. It's service also ends in September.
Basically, there is not enough reliable pumpout capacity.
In theory, there should be no need to pay that absurd fee to Old Man's. The Mount Sinai harbor has a free pump out at the town dock by the tower. HOWEVER - they don't always work. You might have to call the tower to get them to turn it on. And they shut it down before the fishing season is over. And the dock is pretty lousy.
There is a single pumpout station in Port Jeff harbor: on the sea wall between the town dock and the boat ramp. The dock here is pretty ratty (unstable, nails sticking out), and not very big. I have a 27 footer and it feels cramped. Plus, the station often is full. And it also shuts down before the fishing season is over. The PJ pumpout boat tools around on weekends, but is very hard to flag down. It's service also ends in September.
Basically, there is not enough reliable pumpout capacity.
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They are all full of what they are saying you can't pump.
I spent 6 seasons in Hempstead Harbor. At that time, Glen Cove Marina had no pump out, Brewers placed theirs next to the lift bay so that nobody knew where it was and it was difficult to use and Tappan Beach had one that did not work regularly. Also, going in and out of Tappan's breakwater made it daunting to anyone with a bigger boat.
Technically, I beleive the entire Sound has always been and NDZ for raw sewage. This basically prohibits the use of Lectrasan type devices to treat and eject waste.
As stated, this is nothing compared to the sewage overflows that have been occurring regularly.
I spent 6 seasons in Hempstead Harbor. At that time, Glen Cove Marina had no pump out, Brewers placed theirs next to the lift bay so that nobody knew where it was and it was difficult to use and Tappan Beach had one that did not work regularly. Also, going in and out of Tappan's breakwater made it daunting to anyone with a bigger boat.
Technically, I beleive the entire Sound has always been and NDZ for raw sewage. This basically prohibits the use of Lectrasan type devices to treat and eject waste.
As stated, this is nothing compared to the sewage overflows that have been occurring regularly.
It looks like EPA agrees or at least, doesn't dispute that:
" Comment: Several commenters stated that discharges from vessels with the required
Marine Sanitation Devices (MSDs) are a relatively small source of pollution compared to the pollution caused by agricultural run-off, lawn fertilizer runoff and discharges of untreated sewage from Combined Sewer Overflows (CSOs), and therefore, banning vessel sewage discharges is unnecessary and unfair. Another commenter stated that vessel owners had spent thousands of dollars to install MSDs, and therefore banning discharges from those devices would be unfair.
EPA Response: These comments go beyond the scope of EPA’s authority in this action. Because EPA’s authority here is limited to determining whether adequate pumpout facilities exist, it cannot base its determination on whether vessel sewage is comparable in quantity or impact to other sources of pollution, or whether banning such discharges is otherwise unfair to boaters. "
So the EPA doesn't actually consider the impact of things on the environment in its decision making. And doesn't think it at all bizarre to say so. Meanwhile the average person reading a summary of this story in Newsday will only see some stuff that implies CT boaters have been running down here to dump crap and this stops them.
To follow up on that indicated above by Mintregila. I boat out of hempstaed Harbor. There is no pump out facility at Glen Cove marina (recently aquired by Brewer). The pump out facility at Brewer Glen Cove is not easily accessible or available. The pump out station at Tappan Marina (town facility) remains unreliably operational, plus the access (sea wall/breakwater) issue. Pump out facilities at 2 yacht clubs are members only. The Port Washington (town) pump out boat will not come to service boats in Hempstaed Harbor. There is not enough pump out capability.
"EPA Response: The criterion established pursuant to the Clean Vessel Act (CVA) for an
adequate number of pumpouts is one pumpout per 300 to 600 vessels."
That statement is based on the unreasonable assumption that all existing pumpouts are operational and readily accessible, which realistically they are not.
This will now place an added burden on the already inadequate facilities.
The Sound needs more pumpout facilities or else illegal pumping will increase, not decrease.
adequate number of pumpouts is one pumpout per 300 to 600 vessels."
That statement is based on the unreasonable assumption that all existing pumpouts are operational and readily accessible, which realistically they are not.
This will now place an added burden on the already inadequate facilities.
The Sound needs more pumpout facilities or else illegal pumping will increase, not decrease.