oil analysis?
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Oil analysis and analysis of a compound are two differnt things. All oil analysis will tell you is the make up of the compound as it relates to oil. For instance, if there was lactic acid in it, it would not show up, because oil analysis does not look for lactic acid. A full spectrem spectrographic analysis is very expensive and not really worth it. If you want to compare treated oil versus untreated oil after a specified period within the same engine, that might have some validity for that engine. Most oil additives are usually a mixture of light oils and protective metals such as zinc and copper. There is not really much to be had in the additive business given the quality of today's engine oils.
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Greg interesting that they add metals. If the wear metals sampled in the report are the same as the metals included in the additive the analysis is going to be off. Copper is one of the wear metals monitored in our diesel reports. I use Blackstone Labs and have found them to be personable while providing technical insight. The report is not merely a pass/fail test as it is with one other reporting outfit I've used.
Here is a link to a sample by Blackstone -> http://www.blackstone-labs.com/gas_report_3.html
Here is a link to a sample by Blackstone -> http://www.blackstone-labs.com/gas_report_3.html
Greg,
I won't go into it right now. Suffice to say the EPA has mandated the reduction of Zinc and Phosphorus. It doesn't bother todays roller cam engines but are wiping out the older Flat Tappet Cams.
Dan,
I'll google Blackstone Labs.
I won't go into it right now. Suffice to say the EPA has mandated the reduction of Zinc and Phosphorus. It doesn't bother todays roller cam engines but are wiping out the older Flat Tappet Cams.
Dan,
I'll google Blackstone Labs.
You can add ZDDP, or look into some of the 'racing' oils, or even the V-twin mobil one...all are high in ZDDP. Used to be that the diesel oils had the good stuff, but no longer with the new emissions stuff.
I use Blackstone for my cars, but haven't been able to get an uncontaminated sample from the boat (using a vacuum pump to extract the oil...) Blackstone does a great job, and worth paying the extra $1 or $2 for the comments they give 'ya.
I use Blackstone for my cars, but haven't been able to get an uncontaminated sample from the boat (using a vacuum pump to extract the oil...) Blackstone does a great job, and worth paying the extra $1 or $2 for the comments they give 'ya.
you don't have to do analysis: Zinc Dialkyl Dithiophosphate. the ZDDP plus contains 4.8% Phosphorus and 6.8% zinc. It is all on the internet in the MDS sheets, which every product has to have on file. 4 oz of the addative gives 0.18% zinc and 0.13% Phosphorus in a 5 qt oil change.
Save your money, Most oils have this as an addative anyway.
Save your money, Most oils have this as an addative anyway.
Most oils have it, just not anywhere near what was originally in the oils back when flat lifters were the norm.
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Files/Mobil_1_Product_Guide.pdf
The reformulated Rotella 15-40 is 1100/1200, I use the Rotella 5-40 synthetic in everything that takes oil (cars, truck, mowers, boat...)...not sure what the levels are.
How much of the additive is needed to get the levels where the racing oils are?
edit: found the levels of the Rotella synthetic, PHOSPHOROUS: 1250 ZINC: 1400...I'll take it ;-)
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Files/Mobil_1_Product_Guide.pdf
The reformulated Rotella 15-40 is 1100/1200, I use the Rotella 5-40 synthetic in everything that takes oil (cars, truck, mowers, boat...)...not sure what the levels are.
How much of the additive is needed to get the levels where the racing oils are?
edit: found the levels of the Rotella synthetic, PHOSPHOROUS: 1250 ZINC: 1400...I'll take it ;-)
If you are concerned with cold start up, get a pre oiler. I have seen them and they are sweet. Is there ever a payback? I don't know. I do know they are great if you have a turbo or an externally oiled super charger.
Two,
Do you have a link to the rotella tech specs?
This is Valvoline racing oil specs.
http://www.valvoline.com/products/VR-1 Racing Motor Oil.pdf
More tech data. Diesel oil may not be the best for auto engines. Probably better to shorten oil change interval to maintain sheer strength.
http://www.zddplus.com/TechBrief6 -...sic and High-Performance Gasoline Engines.pdf
When it comes right down to it, even synthetic oils have lowered their ZDDP as per EPA... so anyone with flat tappet(non roller) cams should be aware of what the EPA is doing to your engine.
Do you have a link to the rotella tech specs?
This is Valvoline racing oil specs.
http://www.valvoline.com/products/VR-1 Racing Motor Oil.pdf
More tech data. Diesel oil may not be the best for auto engines. Probably better to shorten oil change interval to maintain sheer strength.
http://www.zddplus.com/TechBrief6 -...sic and High-Performance Gasoline Engines.pdf
When it comes right down to it, even synthetic oils have lowered their ZDDP as per EPA... so anyone with flat tappet(non roller) cams should be aware of what the EPA is doing to your engine.
When you send in your original sample, be sure to send in a sample of
good clean oil for them to base the difference on. That is what we do
where I work and what I did when I sent in my first used oil sample
for my truck.
I use Oil Analysis and have had good luck. They keep track of all your
samples and have graphs within the report to see how your changes are
tracking for all the things they test for.
good clean oil for them to base the difference on. That is what we do
where I work and what I did when I sent in my first used oil sample
for my truck.
I use Oil Analysis and have had good luck. They keep track of all your
samples and have graphs within the report to see how your changes are
tracking for all the things they test for.
If your looking for an oil additive, try MOA by BG Products. Pat Goss, of Motorweek fame,says it is the only oil additive he recommends/uses in his shop and he has tested it extensively. It is one of very few companies that would ever provide him with test and engineering data that he could analyze which leaves one to believe that these other companies don't have much faith in their products to have independent tests performed.
I have used it for years in all of my vehicles and both of my boats (gas and diesel that I have owned with 0 engine related problems). Up until recently, you could only buy it at an auto repair shop that used BG Products but recently I have seen it at Western Auto. Also you can buy on eBay. Just my two cents on oil additives.
I have used it for years in all of my vehicles and both of my boats (gas and diesel that I have owned with 0 engine related problems). Up until recently, you could only buy it at an auto repair shop that used BG Products but recently I have seen it at Western Auto. Also you can buy on eBay. Just my two cents on oil additives.
Charlie.....since I take my vehicles to Pat Goss for service, I have had a chance to talk to him about oil additives and the biggest advantage he says of MOA is its adhesion to all surfaces, especially, verticle surfaces. These in particular become dry overtime (unused and the result of gravity) but still remain lubricated (coated) with the MOA properties. Don't know if that is all true but with his reputation and my experience using it with 0 engine problems in my Silverado (2000), 2001 BMW and 1991 Mercedes, I am convinced.