Our new Trojan 440

For the record I wish Bob and his family all the best with many years of enjoyment with their new boat. Knowing them personally the excitement the boat gives them is very obvious.

There have been a few issues he has had to correct on the boat. Nothing major in and of itself but they seem to go along with what has been written in the review by the "hack". Both issues involved wiring corrosion in areas that Pascoe warned about. I truly hope those things are not a sign of things to come.
 
You said it Starry - I do not think that you could find a better, well built, cruiser for the money. This layout is being reproduced by numerous manufactures still today,

including: Sunseeker, Sessa and many others - of course, we saved ourselves about a million dollars by purchasing the Carver.

The hull of a 440 is over 6 inches thick just forward of the engine room vents - and no wood coring.

Pascoe's review is of the first models produced and there were numerous updates made over the years, therefore, his review is very dated.

This boat is the best I have owned, and I have had plenty. These vessels also hold their value well as you can see for yourself from the current listings.

I recommend the Carver/Trojan to anyone who would like a large, safe vessel.
 
RamSport47
Thanks for the historical background. I did not now Carver Owned Trojan back in 1992. I never asked Carver when they purchase them and took ownership. I guess what Carver did was sell Trojan under their name and let Trojan operate the business. Then apparently when they reviewed the issues and concerns regarding the build and quality with their boats they jumped in and took over in 1998. In 1997 it was not in the Catalog. Although the 310 that Carver produced was renamed to the 320 Trojan/Carver and the arch was changed. Then in 1998 Carver debuted the 440,400,350,320 in their catalalog as their own line up.
 
Thanks KnottyBuoyz and Rommer,

I am looking forward to years of enjoyment with our boat. Like with anything else in life and boating, It's all about compromise. I feel that Trojan 440 will and has provided all the form and functionality our family needs. Ok, I have to be honest, it really does have sexy line to it. I do love form and functionality, and I think Carver/Trojan hit this nail on the head.

Mike,
Like we discussed earlier, I would love to hook up with you sometime. Now that you mention it, I did notice the similarities with other manufacterer designing boats the way the Carver/Trojan designed theirs. Maybe they were ahead of their time. Who knows. I just can't wait to get back on it this year. You have got to be itching to get back on your boat as well as all the other fellow boater on this forum.

Quick question. Do your dash light switches light up when you turn the main dash panel on and or when you activate a switch. I was told that some models did, dependent on the year. Mine look like the do, and they seem to be wired, however they do not light up presently. I know the switches are made by Eaton..They have the little picture diagram above the switch.
 
Hello Bob,

I have used the "ahead of their time" quote numerous times. You will not believe how many people are going to ask you if your boat is new this year, I have had numerous people think it was an 06 or 07. When I tell them 2000, then they really can't believe it. I almost got into an argument once with a woman who claimed that she new everything about Trojan and Carver and she would not give up telling me that Carver and Trojan were never merged and that the certainly never made a boat with both names. Really funny.

Yes, my switches light up with the panel light switch along with the gauges.

I am really itching to get back into the water. I am heading down to Destin, Florida Monday with my surveyor to survey a 30 Pro Line Express that I am planning on using for Charter Fishing on Lake Erie. Can't wait for the sea trial. That is only going to make the itch worse, but at least I know I am going to be spending a lot of time on the water this season.
(My new business: Charter Fishing - Yacht Delivery - and Yacht Education) I have always wanted to do this since I was a kid and now I have the time, patience and funding, so why not.

Talk to you soon.
 
Hey Bob,

I just noticed that your galley is set up different than mine. I do not have a current picture, this is from the survey taken fall 05. I have since replaced the refrigerator with the same model but with black doors. You seem to have a little more storage. I have a matching wood top that covers the sink and stove top that folds and slides under and into the cabinet. The boxes of wine were the old owners - I cannot take credit for those :)

Your microwave seems to be missing a porthole. Interesting....

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Mike,
The 440 had your galley design for most of it's life cycle...boy what a pain those sliding wood panels were...we had to replace quite a few of them...I'm not sure what year they changed to a regular countertop, maybe for the last 2 model years, but it definately changed the galley quite a bit.
 
bob, did you take that gay name off yet???
 
Hi Mike,
Thanks for the update on the panel lights. My main lead must be off.
In late 2000 or begining 2001 they made a design change to the galley. My port hole is their, however the Microwave is in front of it. I do loose some light due to this. But on the flip side I gain the space for storgae. With respect to the fridge, I checked the specs of the upright vs side by side. I lost very minimal space there. The upright Norcold was I think 8.0 total volume, and the NovalCool is 7.5 total volume. This was 2001 models. Plus with the additional fridge up top I have enough space for food. I did gain space for the 26" tv and DVD/VCR.

Congratulations on the potentially new addition to the fleet. I would love to do what you are planning to do (business that is). When you take delivery please post some pictures.

http://www.novakool.com/products/two_doors/large_image_popups/rfs7501.htm
 
RamSport,

Do you know anything about the hardtop drains and how they were run? I have already changed the drain setup below and aft of the sunroof, but, I am still getting water in the hollow section of fiberglass below the windows. Last year I had CIC take the strip off where the hard top attaches to the window frame and re-caulk along with re-caulking all of the deck joints below the windows and it is still not fixed. This year I am going to look into installing a drain line in each side of the fiberglass below the windows in order to drain the water away. I really do not want to go to the expense of removing and replacing the windows because I do not think that is the cause of the problem.

If you have any ideas please let me know. I would also be willing to meet you at CIC if you would like to take a visual. This has been bothering me since I purchased the boat. It is not doing any damage or leaking into the vessel, but I would still like to get it fixed without having to remove everything. CIC is also out of ideas besides removing and re-caulking the windows and removing and reinstalling the hard top.

Thanks.
 
Hogan,
Yeah, Yeah, Yeah,
The name is comming off after the cover is removed. I am working on the new name ("Starry Night") now. I have to get my new mast installed first. It was just delivered on Thursday. Looks very nice. We are going to have a renaming ceremony after the boat is in the water.
Just remember, it took a bigger man to keep "FRANCY FREE" on his boat.
 
Mike,
You said you are getting water in the aft section of the fiberglass. Is this after the sun roof? Is the sunroof seating properly to the gaskets?
You also said you are getting water below the windows. Are you referring to the port and startboard windows in the cockpit? If so, I have drains modeled in the fiberglass at the edge of each window right next to the radar arch. Do you have these?
 
Mike..yours is the only one I've seen with the hardtop. I will do some research with Carver to see if they have any ideas. Do you have a dock at Lakeside and CIC?
 
Bob,

The sun roof was designed to drain inside of the hard top through two small weep holes located near the top of each arch. There are two gutters under the sun roof that catch the water, since the sun roof is not 100% water proof. Once I figured out the design, I installed a two drain lines in the interior of the roof and drained them out the aft of the roof under the radar, eliminating any water from gaining access to the inside of the roof from this area.

I had CIC remove the strip at the union of the roof and roof support directly above the forward cockpit windows and everything is sealed fine - and they re-caulked everything, but I still get water underneath both side windows. There are no drains besides two circular cut outs on each side that have plastic caps. This is where the water comes out in a trickle on both the passenger side and helm side. Here is a picture - the opening by the helm is directly across. I cannot for the life of me figure out where the water is coming from. (Oh and I mean mostly rain water.) I just lift the carpet up and let it run into the scuppers under the engine hatch, but it is a pain.

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RamSport47,

Thanks for the reply. I was just outside clearing away last nights snowfall.

I dock at Lakeside because it is closer to my house in Cleveland. I winter store at CIC in heated storage but I do not keep a dock there. I had the privilege of basically growing up at CIC, my parents have been members since the early 70s and they reside there in the summer time. When I am in the area you can usually find me at the Crew's Nest or at Kelleys at Seaway.

Any info you can get me I would appreciate. I do have access under both sides to install drain lines, but I would like to solve the problem if possible. I have had my surveyor confirm that there is no damage, and CIC backs him up. There is a small ditch in the middle of the hollow part which almost leads me to believe that it was designed to move water, as the interior of the roof was, but SIMA Marine and Carver could not help me out with any answers in the past.

Thanks for the help I really appreciate it.
 
Mike,
I see your weep hole, it is vertical. Mine are located aft of yours but horizontal and lie on the ridge below the corner of the rear window. Of course I don't harve the hard top, so the design and construction is different.

This is want I can think of:
1. Water may be entering through any of your electronics gear on the hard top.
2. Water may be getting in from the windows seals at the base, and if there are weep holes under the window in the frame it would exit out your existing weep holes.

Try this experiment if not done already.
Use a garden hose. and start on one side and slowly introduce water to areas around the hard top one at a time. Have someone else watch when the water comes in. You will have to do this slowly as it will take time for the water to travel to it's final destination, that weep hole.
Next time I am at my boat I will take some pictures of my windows and frames, to see the difference between the two.
 
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Originally posted by HOGAN

bob, did you take that gay name off yet???

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You really aren't too politically correct, are you?

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Absolutely NOT - and damn proud of it!!!
 
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Originally posted by Starry Night

Hogan,

Just remember, it took a bigger man to keep "FRANCY FREE" on his boat.

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Well, you are bigger than me!!
 
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