Painted bottom without contract
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? Discounted offer? How bout you agree not to have the paint removed at their expense to give them a break!
If I ask how much a steak is and they return with a cooked steak we're not going to discuss how much I will pay for it, I didn't ask for it.
This happened to me in a slightly different context. My yard, who I am loyal to, painted the bottom of my prior boat because they got the wrong boat. My immediate reaction was panic as they could have applied the wrong type of bottom paint. Turns out the paint was the correct type. The yard never asked me, nor should they have, to pay for anything. It was their mistake.
I don't disagree in having a civil conversation, letter or phone call, to ensure things end on as good a note as they could but don't think for one second that you need to negotiate anything for their mistake. They have made mistakes before and paid the price....that's why they have a contract with 50% down business process that someone failed to follow.
My two cents.
While the most advantagous outcome might be to have the entire bill forgiven, if it were me and I had decided to have the bottom painted but just had not selected the contractor I'd try to negotiate and pay only for the materials.
If you think it was an honest mistake, you want to build a relationship with the yard that will pay dividends over time, and would have ultimately done it anyway, then pay it, full fare. Be happy with the outcome.
If on the other hand, you smell a rat as I do, then this is not a yard that you should build a relationship with. Not only should you not pay it, you should make plans to move to another marina for all of your business. The fact that most people not only put up with this, but in many ways encourage this kind of behavior due to their weak mindedness is the reason you won't be another willing victim.
If they want to file a lein, let them. With your unsigned work order, you can inflict damages on them if they try to go after you. Shout it from the rooftops if you need to and sue them for damages, hoping they make the move to try to impound your boat.
In summary: No dickering smile wearing if they made an honest mistake, scorched earth if it was a ploy. I vote personally for scorched earth.
If on the other hand, you smell a rat as I do, then this is not a yard that you should build a relationship with. Not only should you not pay it, you should make plans to move to another marina for all of your business. The fact that most people not only put up with this, but in many ways encourage this kind of behavior due to their weak mindedness is the reason you won't be another willing victim.
If they want to file a lein, let them. With your unsigned work order, you can inflict damages on them if they try to go after you. Shout it from the rooftops if you need to and sue them for damages, hoping they make the move to try to impound your boat.
In summary: No dickering smile wearing if they made an honest mistake, scorched earth if it was a ploy. I vote personally for scorched earth.
If I understand your story correctly, I would be much more upset that my new boat with an unpainted bottom has now been painted.
If your agreement with the marina is to store the boat in "heated storage, then I am assuming you are speaking rack storage, or some scenario where it is pulled after each use? Under these conditions, there is no need for bottom paint at all, and as Walter has pointed out they may actually have decreased the value of your boat.
If your agreement with the marina is to store the boat in "heated storage, then I am assuming you are speaking rack storage, or some scenario where it is pulled after each use? Under these conditions, there is no need for bottom paint at all, and as Walter has pointed out they may actually have decreased the value of your boat.
Petemrrs,
The boat is on a trailer. I put the boat in heated storage for the winter. That is why I wanted other quotes. I thought 1100 was high for no barrier coat. What makes me not want to pay them anything is they wont return my call. I see them waiting until I want to get the boat and then being difficult when I go to get it.
The boat is on a trailer. I put the boat in heated storage for the winter. That is why I wanted other quotes. I thought 1100 was high for no barrier coat. What makes me not want to pay them anything is they wont return my call. I see them waiting until I want to get the boat and then being difficult when I go to get it.
Scorched earth! Scorched Earth!
Get your quote out from another firm that INCLUDES barrier coat, then go get your boat and get it done. You are WELL within your rights to bill them for the cost (don't let them do it) to remove the bottom paint they put on. The entertainment value alone will be worth the day in small claims court.
Because these cheats purposefully went out of their way to screw you. The whole deal was fishy from the start. The fact that they won't return a call, confirms it. Honest people don't act this way.
Go get em. You really should post their name too. This was no accident and these folks have NO business being in business. You can't be the only one out there, find the others.
Get your quote out from another firm that INCLUDES barrier coat, then go get your boat and get it done. You are WELL within your rights to bill them for the cost (don't let them do it) to remove the bottom paint they put on. The entertainment value alone will be worth the day in small claims court.
Because these cheats purposefully went out of their way to screw you. The whole deal was fishy from the start. The fact that they won't return a call, confirms it. Honest people don't act this way.
Go get em. You really should post their name too. This was no accident and these folks have NO business being in business. You can't be the only one out there, find the others.
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Bob, who is painting for $18. per foot, I've got to get mine done and have never paid that little. Over the years, I've used Xinedes, Commachee and Oasis?
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Both Oasis and St. Augustine Marine have that rate for one coat. Includes haul, block and launch. Second coat is $8 per foot. Understand, this is my boat. Larger boats are different rates. Upgraded paints will cost more as well.
Look at the Oasis Boatyard and Marina web site. All their rates are published.
Bob
PS: I just looked up the invoice from when i had mine done 2 years ago. First coat was $476, second coat was $238. 28' Boat. Interlux Super KL paint. I changed to Micron CSC paint so paid an extra $225.
Well, went to get the boat and it was a fight!! They said they would not give me the boat until I paid for the job. I asked them for the signed contract but they said they thought we had a verbal agreement. I said asking for an estimate is a verbal agreement. He kept pushing and i said keep the boat i will get the lawyer. he said go ahead because I would have to pay. I told him I already talked to the lawyer and he advised me to call him if you would not release the boat he changed real quick and said lets work it out. So, of the 1100 dollars I paid him 500 dollars got receipt for paid in full and got the boat out of there.
The good thing is that you got your boat back. Perhaps it was an honest mistake on his part; you thought you were getting an estimate and he thought you wanted the bottom painted. Obviously since he sent you a contract and you never signed it, he realized that $500 was better than nothing. Hiring attorneys would have put the bulk of the money into their pockets.