problem with 05-06 300 dancers?
- Thread starter Woodsong
- Start date
Well, it appears the 2005-2006 300 dancers have a pretty serious engineering problem. My friend had an 05 and basically the entire electrical system would shut 100% down...no power, whenever the engines got warmed up. It was a serious problem that resulted in sea ray techs being flown down to his boat to attempt repairs, etc. etc. Nothing worked. They finally took the boat back and gave him another one. He has had that one for a few months and it is doing the exact same thing. I hadn't talked to him in a while and he told me a couple of weeks ago they went out for the night when it was cold and after dropping anchor they lost all power- ended up having to spend the night freezing in a dark boat until the dealer could come get them at 6:30 a.m. the next day. To sea rays credit, they are doing the right thing and taking care of him so kudos to them for stepping up to the plate and standing behind their product, but it looks like the 300 may have some large issues as it sounds like his case is not a unique situation and they are having the problem with quite a few of the 300's. Again though, kudos to sea ray for standing behind their product and doing the right thing, at least in the one case I am aware of, though this problem has been going on for a soild year. I really posted this just to see if others had been having issues with this boat.
Good morning Don.....
Woody, I emailed a friend over in Searay... he didnt know anything ...
Ill forward ur post.... to see if he can find anything more out .. but alot things dont make sense...
Boats got 4 batteries on 2 different banks. It really makes no sense nothing would work.... and there are cross overs to bridge the batteries...
Post any more details u have ... would be interested in exactly what wrong...
Rob
Woody, I emailed a friend over in Searay... he didnt know anything ...
Ill forward ur post.... to see if he can find anything more out .. but alot things dont make sense...
Boats got 4 batteries on 2 different banks. It really makes no sense nothing would work.... and there are cross overs to bridge the batteries...
Post any more details u have ... would be interested in exactly what wrong...
Rob
- Joined
- Sep 16, 2003
- RO Number
- 12212
- Messages
- 12,183
how can a boat loose all power and no one can trace the problem ? i don't get it. electrical circuits are not rocket science... you start form the battery bank and you trace till you find where the power stops. anyone can do that with a voltmeter.
now... if that boat has their new SOTA all electronic distribution panel with touch screen... all bets are off. does it ?
WS... no kudos... sorry. it's called a warranty ! geez... why should we bow when a builder and dealer are doing what's due to the customer ?
now... if that boat has their new SOTA all electronic distribution panel with touch screen... all bets are off. does it ?
WS... no kudos... sorry. it's called a warranty ! geez... why should we bow when a builder and dealer are doing what's due to the customer ?
"how can a boat loose all power and no one can trace the problem ? i don't get it. electrical circuits are not rocket science... "
I get it and would love to spell it out, but I can't
Heres a hint, It starts with s and ends in y and is the best boat on earth. :}
I get it and would love to spell it out, but I can't
Heres a hint, It starts with s and ends in y and is the best boat on earth. :}
- Joined
- Sep 16, 2003
- RO Number
- 12212
- Messages
- 12,183
well i got curious and looked at the specs... it says "Weatherproof switch pads and breaker panels with Electronic Interface Modules (EIM). "
i find that very scary... i don't want a computer in charge of my electrical system !!!
i find that very scary... i don't want a computer in charge of my electrical system !!!
quote:
Originally posted by PascalG
so what is the "Electronic Interface Module" listed on teh web site ? whatever it is... it sounds scarry !
I don't know a whole lot about Sea Rays electrical system but the little bit I've read seems to indicate that they are trying to bring X10 type functionality to boats. X10 being the home automation stuff like lamp controls and timers.
In theory it's an interesting idea which can reduce weight, wire can get heavy, but I think it can also introduce a single point of failure in that every thing is controlled by a master controller. Not sure how I feel about that.
Anyone have a link to Sea Rays marketing/white paper on this stuff?
No, No, Interior lighting uses standard switches. Standard breaker panels; however, all the exterior electrical systems including nav lights, cockpit lights, horns and even trim tabs in some cases are controlled by a "soft touch" electronic relay system. The problem is that if the electronics in this system goes bad, you are dead in the water. The keypads just blink on and off when you have a problem. There is no manual override and the only fix, is to replace the faulty component.
The system is not made by Sea Ray though I can't recall the name of the company the does make them. I have this system on my '05 340 and HATE it. Every time I want to make an electrical modification, it's a real PIA.
Sea Ray was very quick to replace all my modules when I had a failure and I have not had a problem since. I will say that the modules are very picky about clean power and the correct voltage. Your friend should have the dealer check the voltage when all is operating. They may find an under voltage coming from somewhere.
To Sea Ray's credit, they are slowly moving away from the touchpad system. Customer feedback has not been very good.
My next boat, (an 07 Sea Ray 48 dancer) WILL NOT have them. I would much rather have traditional mechanical switches than the electronic crap I have now.
Now, that said, on the new "touch screen" system that Sea Ray has begun to use on some of the larger yachts is a little better thought out. If any of the components fail, there are mechanical switch overrides so that one can turn on any circuit in the event of an electronic or touch screen failure. The concept behind this system is that they use Ethernet to run to “mini” touch pads and mechanical electronic switches all over the vessel. So, it becomes plug-and-play. The whole electrical distro system is basically a network. You can daisy chain modules together and each module has a built in bypass in the event of a module failure.
The concept of this system is that the Ethernet is less expensive since it cuts down on the standard copper required and safer to run. The system can be custom programmed to do what you want. It offers one touch-n-go functionality. Go to your boat, touch 1 button and your batteries are on, blower starts, and any system that you want to turn on, does. Plus, you can control any system from anywhere in the boat and all the lighting is dimmable.
So far, I have heard no one complain about the system or of any failures, however the system is new and who knows what evil lurks in the technology controls. Time will tell I guess.
The system is not made by Sea Ray though I can't recall the name of the company the does make them. I have this system on my '05 340 and HATE it. Every time I want to make an electrical modification, it's a real PIA.
Sea Ray was very quick to replace all my modules when I had a failure and I have not had a problem since. I will say that the modules are very picky about clean power and the correct voltage. Your friend should have the dealer check the voltage when all is operating. They may find an under voltage coming from somewhere.
To Sea Ray's credit, they are slowly moving away from the touchpad system. Customer feedback has not been very good.
My next boat, (an 07 Sea Ray 48 dancer) WILL NOT have them. I would much rather have traditional mechanical switches than the electronic crap I have now.
Now, that said, on the new "touch screen" system that Sea Ray has begun to use on some of the larger yachts is a little better thought out. If any of the components fail, there are mechanical switch overrides so that one can turn on any circuit in the event of an electronic or touch screen failure. The concept behind this system is that they use Ethernet to run to “mini” touch pads and mechanical electronic switches all over the vessel. So, it becomes plug-and-play. The whole electrical distro system is basically a network. You can daisy chain modules together and each module has a built in bypass in the event of a module failure.
The concept of this system is that the Ethernet is less expensive since it cuts down on the standard copper required and safer to run. The system can be custom programmed to do what you want. It offers one touch-n-go functionality. Go to your boat, touch 1 button and your batteries are on, blower starts, and any system that you want to turn on, does. Plus, you can control any system from anywhere in the boat and all the lighting is dimmable.
So far, I have heard no one complain about the system or of any failures, however the system is new and who knows what evil lurks in the technology controls. Time will tell I guess.
- Joined
- Sep 16, 2003
- RO Number
- 12212
- Messages
- 12,183
there is one thing i dont get... if they are using network wiring to control various fucntions thruout the boat to save weigth, wiring, etc... then how do they still control the various function thru a back up system ? you still need wire to control the devices in back up mode...
but why would i want to control, say a forward stateroom light or head blower from somewhere else on the boat?
and do you want to turn on your battery switch or blower without sniffing first ? oh .. wait... you can't open the hatch without turning on the batteries...
as you said "I would much rather have traditional mechanical switches than the electronic crap I have now. "
but why would i want to control, say a forward stateroom light or head blower from somewhere else on the boat?
and do you want to turn on your battery switch or blower without sniffing first ? oh .. wait... you can't open the hatch without turning on the batteries...
as you said "I would much rather have traditional mechanical switches than the electronic crap I have now. "