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Bill, I've got the study plans for the Argosy in Adobe PDF format e-mail me if you want them.
knottybuoyzii at personainternet.com
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Trawlers vs. Cruisers
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Bill, I've got the study plans for the Argosy in Adobe PDF format e-mail me if you want them.
knottybuoyzii at personainternet.com
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Did you see the pricetag? $110K US base plus options for a 25' trailer trawler? Sheez, things are gettin' expensive!!!!
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Can you post some pics/specs on your project Dusty? We're going down that road (building) next year. Always nice to see/hear about other builders projects.
Rick
Grady,
This basic design (more or less) that the Camano uses has been used by Novi and Maine boat builders for many years. Some of the boats have round chines and others are hard chined.
Interesting read here about the Cape Island hull which has a rich history in the Canadian Maritime.
http://www.novatrawler.com/35history.html
This basic design (more or less) that the Camano uses has been used by Novi and Maine boat builders for many years. Some of the boats have round chines and others are hard chined.
Interesting read here about the Cape Island hull which has a rich history in the Canadian Maritime.
http://www.novatrawler.com/35history.html
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Barry, I'll take that dark blue one with the forward tilted pilothouse windows!
I'd like to see some of that at the Maine Boatbuilders show next month!
I'd like to see some of that at the Maine Boatbuilders show next month!
I sold my twin 454 gas guzzler for a 46' trawler with a single 143 HP diesel since I'm gearing up for retirement. Sailboats pass me at about 7 knots, but once retired, I don't expect to be in a hurry. With an average fuel burn of 2-3 gallons per hour and a 1000 gallon capacity, I shouldn't have to stop too often for fuel.
I assume that they are seaworthy since a few sisterships have circled the globe. Once I quit the "Penny Factory", I'm hoping to stay put on the weekends and cruise during the week when the anchorages are empty and there are less crazies on the water.
Give me one horn as you pass me...
...in the slow lane,
Tom
Emily Grace
Nordhavn 46
I love the style of trawlers, but I'm not ready for 6-8 knots -- that's a little TOO slow. Downeast-style semi-displacement is a nice compromise. I get close to 4 mpg at displacement speeds, and 2 mpg at 12 knots, which suits me just fine.
If I had a spare 295k, I'd snap this up in a heartbeat (well, maybe a heart flutter?):
I have the 28' model, but this 40' is beautiful. And rare -- I think they only made about a dozen of them. Drooooooooooooooooooool.
If I had a spare 295k, I'd snap this up in a heartbeat (well, maybe a heart flutter?):
I have the 28' model, but this 40' is beautiful. And rare -- I think they only made about a dozen of them. Drooooooooooooooooooool.
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Something like this Barry? We crossed paths with this one on the Rideau last summer. Very nice boat and wonderful people!
Rick
We switch from a 36 foot sailboat to a 38 Ocean Alexander trawler the sailboat had an Av. speed of 6 Kts the trawler cruises nicely at 8 Kts. The differnce is I now go in a straight line and have tons more room. we have cruised about 800 miles the last 2 summers and love it.
As a general observation, I have found folks to be more sailors than boaters. For the most part, they navigate better as they know the odds on getting from A to B w/o darkness in the equation is a long shot. They handle their boats very well in close quarters. They are very laid back and usually older. The way I see it is cruiser folks have money to burn and no time. Trawler folks have time to burn...and money.
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I have included a link to some pics of my conversion in progress. Its a UT ( ugly Trawler ) with a DS (dry stack ) round bilge etc etc.
453 DD ( 90 - 100 BHP ) burns around 2.5 gal an hour at 7.5 knots 1750 -1800 rpm. I carry about 450 IMP gal in a couple of tanks. Range safe around 1200 miles.
Very sea kindly just a nice heavy boat to run in heavy weather. I have never had a lot of success trying to outrun weather so might as well enjoy it if your in it.
Hope the link is OK with Les and such. Some might get a charge outa the old wood boat <grin>
http://www.vancouvermarina.com/ayc-invader.htm
Now if I had some cash a Nord or Duck , passagemaker etc would be my dream boat.
453 DD ( 90 - 100 BHP ) burns around 2.5 gal an hour at 7.5 knots 1750 -1800 rpm. I carry about 450 IMP gal in a couple of tanks. Range safe around 1200 miles.
Very sea kindly just a nice heavy boat to run in heavy weather. I have never had a lot of success trying to outrun weather so might as well enjoy it if your in it.
Hope the link is OK with Les and such. Some might get a charge outa the old wood boat <grin>
http://www.vancouvermarina.com/ayc-invader.htm
Now if I had some cash a Nord or Duck , passagemaker etc would be my dream boat.
I've owned both cruiser and trawler style boat. Two different Sea Sport, a 2400XL w/single I/O and a 27 foot Navigator w/twin I/O. Both were wonderful boats! Currently We own a TRUE TRAWLER a Willard 40 foot Pilot House powere by a single 120 Ford Lehman Diesel. The Lady Anne is a full displacement hull with a top end speed of about 8 knots, we cruise at an average speed of 6.8 knots. Owning a trawler is truely a lifestyle. We live and cruise in Alaska where getting in and out of the elements is always an issue! The trawler is warm, stable, comfortable and safe in most normal sea conditions. Did I mention fairly economical? We burn an average of 1.8 gph and this includes running the Gen Set about 50% of the time. This is a figure that I worked out over 3000 miles of cruising. The cruisers were were far better fishing boats for sure. When you want to make a hundred mile run to a fishing spot with the cruiser you just allow a couple of hours extra travel and a couple of hundred dollars for fuel, with the trawler you had to leave yesterday but the cruise allowed you lots of time to drink coffee and listen to your ipod over the Bose Sound system.
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I guess I have a bit of a compromise in my boat. twin 330 diesels but I get over two nmpg at hull speed. If I have to run I can easily get 20 knots at 1 mpg. Last spring a run from the Jersey shore to Toronto I put $600 in the tanks and arrived home with more fuel on board than when I started.
In their posts above TLawler reports 2-3GPH for 7 kts, Oldfishboat 2.5 GPH at 7.5 KTs Both are between 2-3 NMPG. I get better than 2 NPG on my 44’ Carver aft cabin boat, at 7-8 KTs.
My point is that you need not be restricted to a particular style boat to achieve decent economy at slow speeds. Call it a cruiser, motor yacht or whatever you want but the fuel use is similar to that reported by those special “trawler” operators but I have the benefit of more room. Just because it is named a trawler doesent mean much interms of actual fuel use.
My point is that you need not be restricted to a particular style boat to achieve decent economy at slow speeds. Call it a cruiser, motor yacht or whatever you want but the fuel use is similar to that reported by those special “trawler” operators but I have the benefit of more room. Just because it is named a trawler doesent mean much interms of actual fuel use.
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Andy, just to clarify, I left NJ with half tanks and fueled up on the Erie canal. I got to Toronto reading over half. Due to an engine problem we shut down the Starbord engine and ran entirely at 8 knots on a single engine with the genny running all the way.
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Yup its all true if ya run slow there be some large savings on the fuel. I have had several older wood express cruisers over the years. 32 foot Grenfell express with a single ford big block. At 1800 rpm and 8.5 knots under 3 gal an hour as an example. Thats a gas boat but it would get up and run at 16 knots all day long or till the next fuel barge <grin>
Also its great to carry like 450 gal fuel but if ya aint using it you are storing it. That can be a real bear or pita.
Then there is that diesels dont like to be underloaded and there can be problems with doing that. For better life running them at or closer to rated rpm is better.
Lots to think about.
Also its great to carry like 450 gal fuel but if ya aint using it you are storing it. That can be a real bear or pita.
Then there is that diesels dont like to be underloaded and there can be problems with doing that. For better life running them at or closer to rated rpm is better.
Lots to think about.
Gary: I too have run on a single as a test, fuel use seems to go to the 3NMPG range but i would have to go a lot further than the 60 mile trip I made on one engine to get good data. I didnt use enough fuel in the 130 Nmi to be certain of the data. 