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Big Bliss

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What is your experience with them, which one do you have, likes and dislikes?

I am currently researching the Katadyn/Pur PowerSurvivor 80E and HRO sytems' Seafari Mini 170.

What is the most important thing you think people miss when choosing one - vibration, maintenance, etc?
 
I bought a Katadyn 80E off a fellow RO (Bill - "Billylll") here on BoaterED. We LOVE it! But that's for the 2 of us. You're going to have what, 4 with you? I think you'll need more output. And I bet your genset can handle a 110v system instead of a 12v. I think Bill went with a Spectra for his boat, and I hear very good things about them. Very little owner maintenance to be done (although there isn't much with the Katadyn either). I installed the 80E in 4 hours using existing thru hulls. If you end up liking the brand, perhaps the Katadyne 160E at 7 GPH might work better for you? I'm sure others will have more feedback.
 
How much water does your boat hold? Do you really spend enough time away from a dock to justify the cost?
 
We have a Sea Recovery Aquamatic here on Charmer, it was installed in the spring before heading north.

great unit, it's fully automatic even the weekly fresh water flushes are automatic so you dont' have to worry about the membranes. It's a 900 gpd model but they a smaller 450 gpd model, identical except for the membranes. No vibrations at all, a slight whine from the high pressure pump but it's in the ER so it can barely be heard. they have to version, all in one or modular if you dont' have the space for the all in one and need to place the components in different areas of the ER

i woudln't go for a DC model on a boat with a genny, it uses too much battery power, you will need to run the genny to recharge anyway. Going too small with an AC model means you will need to run it and the genny for longer period of times as well.

The only issue we've had are with the pre filter. The installer suggested the standard filters woudl be fine and that it wasn't worth trying to fit the larger commercial filters. it's true in areas with clear water, like the bahamas but not along the east coast, particularly up north with plankton. I didnt run in the Ches. but in long island sound and nantucket, we clog the prefilters in a matter of hours. they're easy to swap (change the 25 and 5 mic, and clean the plankton filter) but it's still a pita. I wished i had insisted on the commercial size filter and found the space myself...

Sea recovery makes a media filter which replaces the paper filters, high capacity than the commercial filters and cleans by backflush like a pool filter. Something to seriously consider up north.

That said, a watermaker is still an extra system you need to "worry about", maintain, etc... so unless you really need it, nothing beats larger water tank. but if you cruise the bahamas, or spend a lot of time on a mooring or on the hook, then it's a must have.
 
Friends also report raw water filter problems except offshore. If you arent in clear water all the time expect filter issues. the earlier ones, at least, require proper conditioning before a period of disuse. I don’t think the membranes are supposed to dry out so there must be some special treatment to investigate for winter storage.
 
Water holding is not an issue. Moving the boat to St Thomas this summer. Just came back from a charter on two different boats. The water quality in general is the issue. The water made my wife totally sick, most water available is just from cisterns. Ice cubes made from that where slight brownish in color. Plankton is thick so I will definitely get a prefilter. Just looking for better water quality and more fresh water availability without having to log around 200 gallons. Our toilets are using fresh water too unlike the boats that we chartered which had salt water toilets. I don't think I need more then 200 gallon a day capacity. We did not use the water on either boat. One was about 5 the other one 4 days with 5 people. Thanks for all the input I will look at the mentioned systems.
 
I finally went with the Spectra Ventura 150MPC makes about 6 gallons an hour in 55 degree water, more with every 5 degree increase in water temperature. It draws 9 amps at 12 volts doing so. The model has many features, like it will self clean the membrane every 5 days so no need to pickle the unit. In the flush/clean mode it uses 5 gallons of water from one of your tanks. It also uses Zbrane (a UV electrostatic device) to keep the system germ free. Mine has all the bells and whistles we used it towards the end of the season I got a special filter from them to keep out oil/gas from the unit, this can damage any water maker's membrane. The units control center the MPC5000 even monitors the quality of the water it produces and if it doesn't meet the standard it dumps the water out a through-hull. We measured our usage the last 2 weeks we used the boat and we used about 20 gallons a day and my head is a Vacu Flush. If the main controller were to fail you can operate the unit in manual mode. I don't have a bad thing to say about our unit. We would run it about 3-4 hours each day. They make a larger DC unit that can do 12 to 13 gallons and draws 15amps at 12VDC. I also understand there is a large 24VDC system that can make over 1000 gallons a day.
I'm am very happy with this unit. It makes great water even in Brackash water. It works out to 1.4AH per gallon. Since it's just my wife and I cruising it is a great system for us. In bright sunlight my solar panels totally offset the current the water maker draws.

Bill
 
Bigger is better as far as water maker capacity goes. If your capacity is small you can end up running the water maker a lot. Now if you are going to be running the genset most of the time then that's not such a big deal.

I've used most of the top name brands over the years and I can't say one is better than the other. But definitly get one with automatic fresh water flush.

I've never noticed a plankton problem in St. Thomas. But I still would get big prefilters.

If you don't mind me asking where in St. Thomas would you be keeping the boat?
 
Most likely in the American Yacht Haven in Red Hook. The two times I really noticed the plankton was at Sopers Hole. Propably the shape and current only coming in on one side might collect and keep it there. The other time was taking the submarine tour with my kids and seeing how limited the view was. Just clouds of plankton passing by the window. Again on most of our boats we had aroudn 200 gallons or less water and were able to "manage" a family of 4 for 4-5 days. I believe a unit capable of making 200 gallons in a 24 hour period should be more then sufficient.
 
recreational systems have devices to add some minerals to the water...
 
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Originally posted by PascalG

recreational systems have devices to add some minerals to the water...






I didn't know that. I deleted the post.

This is why I come here. Good info. from a variety of different boats and products by people who have those products and boats.
 
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