What to do if one engine dies

Arnold

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What is the best way to steer a twin engine boat if one engine dies?
I tried it the other day just to practice and it was difficult and I am not sure I could have made it to my slip having to do two 90 deg. turns.
I would like to know if anyone ever had to face this problem.
Thanks
 
The first thing to do is use the rudders to dock the boat with both engines running, try not to use the engines except for forward and aft. You can use only one engine for fore and aft if you loose one engine. People that tell you not to use the rudders are giving up a lot.
Remember the engines push the bow from side to side, the rudders push the stern from side to side. The right combination of thrust and rudders will make the boat go sideways without going fore or aft with both engines running, it's called walking the boat. You just have to practice.
I've had to go with one engine many times over the 30 years I've had my boat, it's not uncommon.
 
Jim,
Having had experience with only twin outdrives, could you explain the procedure to say dock when the dock is off your starboard side. What series of controls of drive and steering would you use to walk it sideways. This is exactly what I was looking for but everyone acted like I was crazy. When I was a kid the man who ran our dock used to do this in his catamaran houseboat all the time. I was told that a cat would do this but on other boats it was not possible. Glad to hear someone else say it can be done. Sorry to jump on your thread Arnold.
 
I have inboards, but if I want to go to starboard with outdrives I would turn to wheel to the left, put the port engine in forward and the starboard engine in reverse. You would have to play with how much to turn the wheel and how much throttle to use on each engine. I've never tried it with outdrives though.
 
The key thing to remember is that for your rudders to work, you need water flow. Not enough speed, no flow, no steering. How much speed you need dedans on th size of the rudders.

No twin inboard will be able to turn to the side of the only working engine from a dead stop. Some will start turning after on boat length, two boat length or more. So the key is to accelerate quickly enough to gain steering.

Ex. Let say your port engine is dead. And you need to turn to stbd from a dead stop.out the rudders hard over to stbd, engage stbd tranny with enough rpm to gain. Speed quickly but without making the boat turn to port. As soon as you get enough speed you will see the bow fall to stbd.

Practice in open waters to get a feel for the best rpm.

Another trick Is to switch the the remaining engine to Neutral in the turn so the thrust doesn't fight the rudders. Obviously you need some speed and momentum for that. So I f you need o make a 90 deg turn to stbd on your stbd engine only, plan ahead, get some speed, rudders hard overnight to stbd and put stbd in Neutral. Then as you have almost completed the turn, put it back I need gear.

The key to single engine handling is to manage your momentum.

In most cases you ll be better off get In the slip bow in using the techniques above. If you really have to back in, again assuming port is dead, put the rudders hard over to port. Start backin in with stbd engine, stern will pull to port. Apply a short burst of power to kick the stern using water flow against the rudder. Strong enough to be effective, short enough not to completely stop the boat... reverse again and repeat.

That's the theory... add some wind and all bets are off.
 
The key to operating on one engine is to go slow. If you apply too much power the rudders won't be able to turn the boat. Second is to figure out how to make three turns in the opposite direction you intend since the boat wants to steer away from the one working prop. Lastly you can always go bow in if that turns out to be easier. Lookup single engine boat handling and you will see some ideas on backing and filling a single.

But remember back off the throttle or you wont control anything.
 
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Originally posted by JimPend

I have inboards, but if I want to go to starboard with outdrives I would turn to wheel to the left, put the port engine in forward and the starboard engine in reverse. You would have to play with how much to turn the wheel and how much throttle to use on each engine. I've never tried it with outdrives though.






It works w/ twin stern drives just like Jim says.
 
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Originally posted by pdecat

The key to operating on one engine is to go slow. If you apply too much power the rudders won't be able to turn the boat.






The key is not to go slow, you need flow on the rudders. The key isn't to control the amount of power you are using and to manage your momentum.
 
It's like riding a bicycle, you just have to learn how. We can't tell you how to do it. I suggest on a good day practice trying to do it, just keep one engine it neutral. Like riding a bicycle it's easy once you learn how.
 
Going forward on one engine is no problem. A little practice is what you need. Backing into a slip with a wind is another story. You have to learn how to use the pilings and if you can get a line on one piling it makes the job so much easier.

One year I was having an alternator problem(it would freeze up) and it took the shop 3 times to get it fixed correctly. I had to return to dock 3 times on only one engine.

George
 
Unable to answer the first question because you do not say how the boat is powered. Twin engine could be IB,OB,IO Jet or surface piercing. There are more options for drives but those come to mind first. The second question answer is yes I have docked on one engine on a twin engine boat.
 
Pascal:
I am amazed the we are so far apart on this. ANy twin engine boat I have driven will overpower the rudder if too much throttle is applied on that side to maintain usual bown speed. propwash strongly affects the rudder however too much will overpower anything except very large rudders.
I have gone hundreds of miles on one engine and could steer reasonably well as long as I kept the throttle and therefore speed down.
 
As a owner with IPS, this is something I have not practiced.
I have docked boats succesffuly with Twin I/O's and twin inboards with one motor down.

I will practice this over the summer.
For IPS, because they move independent of each other, I have a added complication that I have to manually center the pod if the pod is inoperable.
There is a key that goes in the top of it and you crank it to one end then crank it back to center. I believe it is 75 cranks.
So not easy to do in rough seas.

My advice is depending on the reason motor is down, try to save motor and start right before docking.
 
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Originally posted by PascalG

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Originally posted by pdecat

The key to operating on one engine is to go slow. If you apply too much power the rudders won't be able to turn the boat.






The key is not to go slow, you need flow on the rudders. The key isn't to control the amount of power you are using and to manage your momentum.








Pascal just gave a good example of the trinity of boat handling forces - power, speed, and momentum. They are three different, but related factors that don NOT all do the same thing for you. Or to you.
 
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Originally posted by pdecat

Pascal:
I am amazed the we are so far apart on this. ANy twin engine boat I have driven will overpower the rudder if too much throttle is applied on that side to maintain usual bown speed. propwash strongly affects the rudder however too much will overpower anything except very large rudders.
I have gone hundreds of miles on one engine and could steer reasonably well as long as I kept the throttle and therefore speed down.






You certainly cannot expect to go at normal speed. That is a given.

George
 
A lot of twin inboards will "turn" better with astern propulsion than forward propulsion. Trial and error with YOUR boat will show you how it handles. (The one I run most often - with one engine down, you're really not going to kick the stern at all no matter how hard you dump the throttles ahead. Quick shot astern will scoot it right over, though.)
 
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Originally posted by pdecat

Pascal:
I am amazed the we are so far apart on this.






I don't think we are

Yes too much power will overpower the rudders so you need to control the amount of power you are using so you can increase speed without turning.

But it all depend on the boat. On my hatt I can start from a dead stop on one engine and pretty much go straight if I gradually increase RPM to balance assymetrical thrust vs Rudder effectiveness. As speed increase if I want to go straight I need to bring the rudders from full over to somewhere in between. If I want to turn on the live engine side then I can keep the rudders hard over and start turning against the thrust within a couple of boat lengths

It all depends on the boat but it comes down to balancing the various forces
 
Arnold - you haven't stated what kind of power. A few years back, I lost one of my two I/O's - the thing to know w/ I/O's is only ONE engine powers the power steering pump . . . guess which one I lost?!?!?!?

If you're I/O's, figure which has the PS, then practice on THAT engine first, then try single screw w/o PS.
 
How far apart the props are makes a difference. Wide space will exert more turning force than close spaced props
 
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