Bigger Boat suggestions (Trojan 10 meter input)

gardnersf

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I'm investigating getting a larger boat. I am looking for a 33-36' boat that sleeps 4 without dropping the dinette. I am trying to keep it in the $35K to $45K range.

So far there are three models that interest me. (amended)

Wellcraft 34 GranSport - 87-92
Sea Ray 340 86-90
Regal 360 -88-90
Cruisers 3370 86-92

The only boat I have been on so far is the Sea Ray. Anyone have other models to look at? Does anyone have any feedback on these models? Things to look for?
 
Thansk Larry.

Thats how I got to this list so far. However, if there is someone with personal experience with a boat that I have not singled out. I may give it another look. The pictures often do not do the boat justice.
 
I'm in the middle of looking to upsize as well. I've looked at JD Power boat rankings and was quite surprised to see Wellcraft didn't fare very well in the cruiser catagories, I've always heard good things about them. Another make you may want to consider is the Four Winns Vista. I currently own a smaller FW and if they make their bigger boats as well as my 23' sundancer, you would be loooking at a quality boat. As far as the JD Power rankings go, Regal was way up there as well as Sea Ray. Carver also makes a very nice boat, I've been on a few of them and they all seem very well built.
 
Cruisers Inc makes some nice boats, not sure on layout in vintage you're looking at though. Tom
 
Scott,

What style of boat are you looking for? Are you trying to stay with the tunnel cabin of an Express Cruiser, or wanting to move up to a full windowed salon? Bridge?

Fred
 
I'm looking to stay with an express at this point. One boat I really like is the 88-90 Tiara 33, but it's a little rich for me at $70K+. I have started looking at the Cruisers 3370 which is intriguing. The raised bridge is somewhere between and express and a sedan bridge. I;ll have to check one out in person.
 
Scott-you can also look at the Trojan 10-11 meter expresses. Some have midcabins and some don't. Very beamy and well made boats.
 
In that size range, sleeping 4 is not a tall order. There must be tons of boats that meet that basic criteria. As others have said, you need to include more details on what you want.

Why not older, given the budget?
Seaworthy characteristics, and your definition of what that means because nobody else will have the same defintion for the term?
Why an express? Not arguing, just looking for the attributes you want that themselves suggest an express.
What do you like to do on the water? Fish? Cruise? How much time do you spend outside the cabin?
What is your prior experience? Have you been on this type of boat before?

A lot of people are initially attracted to the boat styles with lots of cabin and little cockpit, to find that when they are on the water they really want just the opposite. Others want all cockpit to fish and then find that they hate sleeping even a night on the boat. How did you arrive at your own perceived wants and needs? Maybe this is a moot point, since you already have a somewhat similar style boat, but keep asking the questions. I found that as I moved bigger, I changed my boating habits! My former criteria list actually changed!

Engines?

This is the fun part, but you know how it works. You have to provide every detail you can think of. Even if they seem silly at first. Now, what did you have for breakfast this morning? Sib alone should be able to make the call based on that amount of info alone.

bp
 
Thanks for the replies. I will try to elaborate a little more.

Engines. - I would prefer inboard engines. I have stern drives now and while they have their advantages, I'm not crazy about all that money bating in salt water. Fresh water cooling is a must. I have been told that straight inboards hold some advantages over v-drives, but I'm unclear on that aspect. It makes sense that there is less moving parts, but not sure what else the transmission provide in terms of benefits.

Usage - I have 2 kids, 6 and 7 who love going on the boat. We tend to use it one or 2 days of each weekend with overnights both on the dock and on moorings about once a month. We use the boat regularly from June through September. We use it intermittently in October and usually pull it mid October. ~50% of the time we have additional friends come out with us. This is usually another family of 4 or 5. That gets very tight on my current boat both in room and performance. Our usual trips are 30 minutes or so to Potter's cove in Narragansett Bay (Prudence Island. It may also include a further ride to see the bay, etc.

Once a year we go to Block Island for a week in a Marina. We just completed the trip this year and that is where the room for 4 sleeping without the dinette needing to be converted comes from. Dropping and raising the dinette every day gets a little tedious. We also would like the option of kids friends staying over occasionaly which leaves the dinette as expansion berthing. We also need storage for clothes, food, etc for up to a week without living out of bags and moving things around all the time.

I also have soem slip imitations at our marina in terms of beam. 13' is probably the most I can do (which isn't much of a limitation in this style of boat I can accomdte up to about 39'LOA (Although I don't want to pay for all that):)

On our typical cruise, we spend a lot of time swiming, kayaking, playing on the dinghy, etc. I have just started to do some light fishing, so a little cockpit room is nice as well. I can't see doing any serious fishing off this boat, I do have friends with charter boats for canyon runs, etc.) more for entertainment than anything.

My general crusing waters are Naragansett Bay and Block Island. We would like to take longer trips, but feel a little limited in space in size of the boat. The longer trips would be coastal waters up to Boston and down to New York CityLong Island.

Why an express?? - There are several factors, one is cockpit seating. Since we often have people with us or meet with friends and then eat on one boat or another, the cockpit gets regular use. I haev considered a fly bridge or sedan bridge, but cockpit seatng can be limited and is usually split. I also like the idea of having some speed at hand. I currently cruise around 22-24 knots and an 18-20 knot cruise is fine. Fuel isn't a big factor but less is still better. ideally the boat still planes, rather than pigging along (many Sea ray 390's seem underpowered with the 454;s for example). I am open to other suggestions though, as long as they meet my admiral's approval.

I am willing to go older, but my familiarity with older boats is fairly small. I also find that older boats have LOTS of wood down below which tends to make a dark cabin. These were just a few of the boats that have caught my attention.

For breakfast? I had a carnation instant breakfast. I had an orthdontist appointment yesterday and my teeth are killing me :)
 
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Originally posted by gardnersf

...I have started looking at the Cruisers 3370 which is intriguing. ....




what year 3370?
We had a 1987 3370 for over 6 years and it was an incredible boat. We took it everywhere, had a much better ride than the 37 sundancer we got to replace it!
 
Scott; I am partial to Mainships, you might want to look at the 31 Sedan Bridge 1993-1999, they have copious space in the salon a full sized shower and head. There are 2 staterooms the master has a queen sized berth the smaller stateroom has 2 bunk beds and the sofa pulls out to make a bed. The dinette can also be used for sleeping if needed. There is plenty of storage it has a 7 cubic foot frig/freezer, most of the amenities of home. The fly bridge will seat 6 comfortably 8 if you have a few kids with you. They cruise a bit slower 16 to 17knots. Most come equipped with Generators and Air Conditioning. There are many good ones to be found at brokerages as well as the internet. I have the 40 Sedan Bridge and love it.
Regards Bill
 
Abalmuth,

The 3370's I saw were between 86 and 92 with the majority in the 88 and 89 range. Great feedback on the ride. My good boating friend has an 87 26' and it has been a very good boat. Thansk for the feedback.

How did you like the helmcockpit layout? I think I may add that to the list to view in person.

Billy, I hadn't looked at any Mainships. The newer ones I saw don't tend to sleep as many. I will check those out.
 
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Originally posted by gardnersf

Abalmuth,
The 3370's I saw were between 86 and 92 with the majority in the 88 and 89 range. Great feedback on the ride. My good boating friend has an 87 26' and it has been a very good boat. Thansk for the feedback.

How did you like the helmcockpit layout? I think I may add that to the list to view in person.




Some 3370 good points : Straight inboards, not V-drives- the engine weight is not at the A$$ of the boat– we added a GenSet and still had peaty of room in the ER to get to everything – I am 6’1” and well over 200lbs and did all of the work with no issues
I had radar and a Garmin 182c at the helm and had room to see all- had good visibility to see both the anchor and the stern- because of the Straight drives there is very little bow rise.
The boat ran like a tank and was very sold- we had 7.4 fwc crusaders’ and cruised at 22knts – do not get smaller engines - it is 11’10” wide and I think over 36’ in total
Cruisers used this hull on 3 or 4 models for over 10 years!
Tremendous space for a boat its size, both sofas open to make beds with the rear sofa having a curtain to block it off from the main salon – there is well over 6’ head allover- there is a full size DOOR to go into the cabin- not a hatch system
My wife & I with 3 dogs would spend weeks on the boat all over long island sound & out to Martha’s and Newport – with 300gal tanks it had a great range for its size
Some of the bad items was that 2 of the deck hatches are trapezoid in shape and if broken it’s tough to get fixed, also the flip down transom door is prone to breaking- which lead to the fact that you have to use the ladder to get to the swim platform
No much more bad I can say without going into more depths of my memory [:-hypnotized]
BTW: my wife is still pissed off that we sold it!
 
http://www.mainship.com/models/previous_models/31sb.htm This is a link to the Mainship historical document specifications page for the 31 Sedan Bridge.
 
IMHO finding anything worth buying in your size range for under $100K will be a challenge at best unless it is very old & most likely will come with a bunch of expensive issues which will have to be dealt with.

Express cruisers are fine if you don't mind living in a cave & don't mind sacrificing all that space on top of the cave because it is such a pain to get to. They do go fast however & that is fine if you don't mind paying the price to make them go fast & don't mind sacrificing inside space to accomodate engines & big fuel tanks to feed them.

If you boat around Long Island Sound you must have seen a few of these in your travels.

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LOD is 32. LOA is just short of 36.

It is very much a family cruiser with a little fishing in mind. It is no speedster but most of the 97 & later 32+2 have a Cummins 370hp or similar Yanmar & can cruise at an honest 18kts loaded to cruise. 260gal fuel capacity means little time is spent worrying about where the next fuel dock is & wasting time fueling up there. It carrys 115gal fresh water. Try finding that capacity in ANY express cruiser. There is a configuration that actually does have a second cabin with bunks but it is rare. The most common is the 32+2 which has an island Queen berth fwd & a mid cabin berth that can actually sleep 3 adults. It is larger than King sized. I got creative & made a filler cushion for the 'U' shaped seating on the bridge creating sleeping for 2 more adults (tightish) Plenty room for 1. So, depending how you do it the boat could sleep 7 adults without sticking anyone in one of those under cockpit dungeons. The Admiral especially likes the galley location since it is just inside the cabin so she is always part of whatever is going on in the cockpit.

One of the nicest things about these boats from a cruisers point of view are the extremely wide sidecks. No hanging on to something just to walk forward. No climbing through windshields then walking on slippery cabin tops to get to a fashionably sloping bow with no flat area to safely work on.

The Albin 32+2 does look different. There is no confusing it with something else as happens with so many look alike express cruisers.

Sometimes it is good to look outside 'the box' & not just follow the crowd.
 
Scott,

YOu and I are boating in the same waters. We spend most of our time in Potters, and Just got back from a weekend at Block Island. I have 4 kids plus wife on our boat, 28ft twin engine express (Monterey). With 4-6ft swells in the sound, the trip to BI was a little hairy. Not sure I would do it on any smaller boat. I might throw Monterey into the ring for your search. Our 28 sleeps 4 without converting the dinette. When I was searching, I found them comparable but much cheaper then similar Sea Rays, I also liked the layout better. I know Monterey makes boats up to 35ft. The disadvantage is there are not as many available as others such as Sea Ray and Cruisers.

I'll keep an eye out for you. Our kids are the same age. Good luck with the search.
 
Scott,

Putting in a plug for a different type of boat, my 36' Uniflite aft cabin has great space, built like a "battleship" and is well within your price range with low hours Crusader 454's. See note in Classified section or web site at

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzet4dp8

Delaware Jim
 
Thanks for the additional info. Jim, I will take a look.

Wocket, where do you boat out of in Barrington. Our good friends we boat with are at Stanley's They have an 87 Cruisers 26.

I agree with you on the trip to Block, one of the reasons we are looking fora bigger boat. My boat handles swells well, but it would be a more comfortbale ride. Also I'm told the bigger boats handle the stiff chop better due to their weight.

Where do yuo moor in Potters? We will probably be there this weekend?
 
Scott,

I keep the boat at Cove Haven on the other side of town. We usually anchor in back next to the "Rock Pile" where the little island pops up at low tide. We might make it there once or twice this weekend. We are a white boat with dark blue canvas. Usually have a dink off the back along with screaming kids! If you see us, say hi.

As for bigger boats, the swells really were not too bad. More "exciting" than anything else. The thing I have more of a problem with is the wind blown chop. If its 3ft high and spaced right or confused, my boat can pound no matter how I trim her. Like the upper bay can and does get often. I think a heavier, beameyer boat would be able to handle more of that with less drama. The swell to BI this weekend was big but not wind driven. And it was spaced enough apart so I rode up and over without getting launched.

The other thing to think about is speed. My boat will come off plane at less than 25mph which is pretty quick to run in a big chop. A boat that could plane at a slower speed would be an improvement. Anyway, it seems like we are dealing with the same stuff. Hope to see you out there
 
Scott,
If tou really like the Tiara 33 try to make the deal work. This summer I moved up from a small express, 1998 250 Sundancer to a 96 Tiara 31 Open. I doubt I would ever go back to an express cruiser. The large cockpit is great. Plenty of room for 4 chairs if needed and the upper helm area has alot of built in seating.
 
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