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Mike has it exactly right. The old XO was responsible for training. Old C.O. was ultimately the one responsible, but he retired. Like I said, the new Commander had to know it was going to be a short tour.
 
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Originally posted by Gregory S

Mike has it exactly right. The old XO was responsible for training. Old C.O. was ultimately the one responsible, but he retired. Like I said, the new Commander had to know it was going to be a short tour.






So why not call the old CO back.
 
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Originally posted by KiDa

Still not buying it the whole story. The navy has been crucifying too many for bizarre reasons for the last 4-5 years.

Unless you are part of a reduction in force, you carry what are affectionately known as "hip pocket orders". You are available for recall for any purpose up to the age of 55. It was a way around "retirement" pay at a young age. From "retirement" til age 55 one receives retainer pay. At 55 you go on the retired rolls. It has to do with the color of money that pays you. O8 and above never go on the retired rolls.






What???

I have never heard of what you are describing.

There is a program where a person leaves active duty and then serves in the guard/reserves until reaching retirement age.

Is this what you are writing about?

George
 
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Originally posted by gcolton

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Originally posted by KiDa

Still not buying it the whole story. The navy has been crucifying too many for bizarre reasons for the last 4-5 years.

Unless you are part of a reduction in force, you carry what are affectionately known as "hip pocket orders". You are available for recall for any purpose up to the age of 55. It was a way around "retirement" pay at a young age. From "retirement" til age 55 one receives retainer pay. At 55 you go on the retired rolls. It has to do with the color of money that pays you. O8 and above never go on the retired rolls.






What???

I have never heard of what you are describing.

There is a program where a person leaves active duty and then serves in the guard/reserves until reaching retirement age.

Is this what you are writing about?

George








A person retiring after 20 years of service receives "retainer" pay. For the sake of argument you are in an inactive reserve status and subject to recall. I've seen it used once. The General Officer in command of the Army War College was recalled decades ago just post Vietnam. He ended up becoming a golfing buddy of my brothers. The story was rather humorous.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/05/16/congressman-classified-details-irans-treatment-us-sailors-will-shock-nation.html?intcmp=hpbt1 The classified details behind Iran’s treatment of several U.S. sailors who were captured by the Islamic Republic during a tense standoff earlier this year are likely to shock the nation, according to one member of the House Armed Services Committee, who disclosed to the Washington Free Beacon that these details are currently being withheld by the Obama administration.

Rep. Randy Forbes (R., Va.) told the Free Beacon in an interview that the Obama administration is still keeping details of the maritime incident under wraps. It could be a year or longer before the American public receives a full accounting of the incident, in which several U.S. sailors were abducted at gunpoint by the Iranian military.

“I’ve had a full classified briefing” from military officials, Forbes told the Free Beacon. “It could be as long as a year before we actually get that released.”

Details of the abduction are likely to start an uproar in the nation and call into question the Obama administration’s handling of the incident, which many experts say violated international and maritime law.

“I think that when the details actually come out, most Americans are going to be kind of taken aback by the entire incident, both how Iran handled it and how we handled it,” Forbes disclosed. “I think that’s going to be huge cause for concern for most Americans. That’s why I’ve encouraged members of Congress to get that briefing so they do know exactly what did take place.”

Forbes suggested that Iran’s treatment of the U.S. sailors—which included filming them crying and forcing them to apologize at gunpoint—may have been much worse than what has been publicly reported.
 
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Originally posted by WALSHIE

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...s-sailors-will-shock-nation.html?intcmp=hpbt1

The classified details behind Iran’s treatment of several U.S. sailors who were captured by the Islamic Republic during a tense standoff earlier this year are likely to shock the nation, according to one member of the House Armed Services Committee, who disclosed to the Washington Free Beacon that these details are currently being withheld by the Obama administration.

Rep. Randy Forbes (R., Va.) told the Free Beacon in an interview that the Obama administration is still keeping details of the maritime incident under wraps. It could be a year or longer before the American public receives a full accounting of the incident, in which several U.S. sailors were abducted at gunpoint by the Iranian military.

“I’ve had a full classified briefing” from military officials, Forbes told the Free Beacon. “It could be as long as a year before we actually get that released.”

Details of the abduction are likely to start an uproar in the nation and call into question the Obama administration’s handling of the incident, which many experts say violated international and maritime law.

“I think that when the details actually come out, most Americans are going to be kind of taken aback by the entire incident, both how Iran handled it and how we handled it,” Forbes disclosed. “I think that’s going to be huge cause for concern for most Americans. That’s why I’ve encouraged members of Congress to get that briefing so they do know exactly what did take place.”

Forbes suggested that Iran’s treatment of the U.S. sailors—which included filming them crying and forcing them to apologize at gunpoint—may have been much worse than what has been publicly reported.






Forbes was my congressman up until last year when the Commonwealth redrew the maps. He's a politician and therefore he sucks. BUT, he sucks less than the rest. He is a very square shooter when it comes to the welfare of the military.
 
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Originally posted by Joeshoes

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Originally posted by KiDa

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Originally posted by Phillbo

I'm sure there was more to it given the fact the boats were transporting Seals.






Much deeper than that.

Both boats break in the same place at the same time? Both boats lose contact with the fleet at the same time? They "drifted" into national waters. Both boats had anchors. The crew is highly specialized and unless there was some really bad fuel the odds on 4 Yanmars going Tango Oscar simultaneously is slim.








BING BING BING Correct answer!!

With all the electronic and other gear on these two boats they "drifted" into enemy waters?

Why did they not fight for their ship? Orders directly from the top to surrender??

Bull****

A coverup worthy of Benghazi fame.










LOL.

Tin foil hat sales must be up along with guns. Or is it a BOGO kinda deal these days?












Hey Bill you talk about your funny hat but you do not address the legitimate observations.

The whole debacle is a disgrace.
 
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Originally posted by Joeshoes

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Originally posted by Capt. Bill1

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Originally posted by Joeshoes

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Originally posted by KiDa

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Originally posted by Phillbo

I'm sure there was more to it given the fact the boats were transporting Seals.






Much deeper than that.

Both boats break in the same place at the same time? Both boats lose contact with the fleet at the same time? They "drifted" into national waters. Both boats had anchors. The crew is highly specialized and unless there was some really bad fuel the odds on 4 Yanmars going Tango Oscar simultaneously is slim.








BING BING BING Correct answer!!

With all the electronic and other gear on these two boats they "drifted" into enemy waters?

Why did they not fight for their ship? Orders directly from the top to surrender??

Bull****

A coverup worthy of Benghazi fame.










LOL.

Tin foil hat sales must be up along with guns. Or is it a BOGO kinda deal these days?












Hey Bill you talk about your funny hat but you do not address the legitimate observations.

The whole debacle is a disgrace.














Once somebody starts thowing around the B word I lose interest rapidly.

As to what exactly happened, well one day we may find out. But I doudt it will be a some Watergate worthy cover up. More like some lower level F up.
 
The B word... like Benghazi where we, the people of the United States, watched four superior humans (read that SEALS)get butchered over the course of 15 hours. And now their boss is running for president.

We will never be told the truth. H Rotten is right "What difference, at this point, does it make?" Those SEALS are dead forever.
 
Does anyone think Benghazi was caused by the Video as claimed by the administration and told to the parents of the dead? Nobody died at Watergate, help was not even attempted at Benghazi, although many said they were ready to help. Why was this covered up?
This is only possible with a complicit media.
 
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Does anyone think Benghazi was caused by the Video as claimed by the administration and told to the parents of the dead? Nobody died at Watergate, help was not even attempted at Benghazi, although many said they were ready to help. Why was this covered up?
This is only possible with a complicit media.






And down we go into the rabbit hole. Soon the circle will form and the hand lotion will be passed around.

I thought I heard NBR calling a while ago. Unfortunately no one seems to be around anymore to answer the calls.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/23/navy-commodore-to-be-relieved-command-over-irans-capture-his-sailors.html?intcmp=hpbt3 Holy smokes. This one's going in the fustercluck hall of fame.
 
A slightly different report of same report. They did radio in their location every 30 minutes no one notified Senior staff.
"Heavily outgunned and outnumbered by members of Iran’s Revolutionary Guard Corps, the Navy commander — whose name was redacted from the report — told investigators he calculated that Tehran’s desire to keep the nuclear deal with the U.S. alive would also protect the 10 American sailors if they surrendered."

"The two patrol boats — dubbed “Demon Lead” and “Demon Two” — set off for their mission to travel from the U.S. naval base in Kuwait to 5th Fleet headquarters in Bahrain four hours behind schedule, according to a timeline of events compiled by Navy investigators.
In an attempt to make up for lost time, commanders on both patrol boats plotted a different course without notifying task force commanders.
The boat crews did radio in their location to the task force’s operation center every 30 minutes, which is Navy protocol for such operations. However, even though sailors and Navy officers manning the operation center were aware that both boats were taking a different route, no one from the center notified senior staff that the boats were off course near sensitive Iranian territorial waters.
The last-minute change to the travel route skirted Iranian waters, but the plotted course did not traverse directly through those areas. During the voyage, one of the boats sustained a catastrophic engine failure, leaving the vessel listing in quickly moving seas, according to the Navy’s account.
The second boat stopped to help the crew of the distressed boat when two Iranian-flagged armed patrol boats approached the U.S. ships and brought them to port.
“There were no good choices” for the crews after that, Adm. Richardson said.
Senate Armed Service Committee Chairman John McCain, Arizona Republican, said in a statement Thursday that the investigation should focus on Iran’s “flagrant violations of international law” in seizing and holding the U.S. sailors, and on the failure of the Obama administration to take a tough line with Tehran.
“Five months later, the administration has shamefully failed to retract its craven statements of gratitude and praise for Iran’s illegal behavior,” Mr. McCain said.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/30/navy-commander-surrendered-to-iran-to-protect-obam/
 
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Originally posted by KiDa

The coverup continues.






Just what do you think is being covered up. The stupidity of the forces and chain of command in this instance is well known. Way too late for any cover up.

George
 
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