hudson river crash

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Originally posted by rawidman

. . . I think I've stumbled into the kiddie pool here when it comes to common sense.

. . . . In the know, remember I said "read", don't write. That way, when it comes time for you to write, you won't be taken as a fool for what you post.

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Ron;

It is an intelligent man who often times follows his own advice.
 
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Originally posted by Riverratt

Is it a known fact that this boater had no formal training?

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No, it is not.
 
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Originally posted by Billylll

I spend most of my cruising time at night. I run at hull speed or below and I have my wife doing the look out in addition to myself. I also have a FLIR unit and it works wonders. In addition radar is always on as I cruise. So while I may get distracted by all my instruments my wife scans the horizon. It works very well for us and we have been able to detect boats without lights fishing and kayaks that have no lighting and make corrections. As far as any ship running AIS we have that covered as well. I hope with the Class E AIS trials going on that will bring more boaters with Smart phones into the AIS fold.
I actually think if your running slow at night and in familiar waters there is less danger than during the day when all the drunks, weekend warriors and jet ski's are out. The exceptions are holiday weekends I generally stay put.
Bill

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Last thing we want are people looking at their smartphones while driving a boat at night...

AIS will never make you safe because too many boats will not be equipped, As well as obstructions like barges, pilings, rocks...

People need to look outside first.
 
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Originally posted by rawidman

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Originally posted by In the know
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In the know, remember I said "read", don't write. That way, when it comes time for you to write, you won't be taken as a fool for what you post.

For those who don't think boater education and licensing will make people safer on the water, how can anyone claim to have "common sense" and not think this will help? It won't solve all the problems, but it can't hurt and having people at least exposed to the laws, rules of the road, and safe boating procedures, has to make it safer for all of us on the water. Somehow I think I've stumbled into the kiddie pool here when it comes to common sense.

I suspect those folks who are against education and testing are afraid that they, themselves might not pass the test.

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Hey stupid, it is an internet forum, you didn't actually "say" anything.

All you have proven is that you can't swim in the deep end. So far, all we have is mandatory education and licensing will work because RAWIDMAN says it will. By all means, post up your analytics supporting your hypothesis. We all know you can't.

Then, lets discuss the methodology and underlying assumptions.
 
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Originally posted by rawidman

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Originally posted by In the know
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In the know, remember I said "read", don't write. That way, when it comes time for you to write, you won't be taken as a fool for what you post.

For those who don't think boater education and licensing will make people safer on the water, how can anyone claim to have "common sense" and not think this will help? It won't solve all the problems, but it can't hurt and having people at least exposed to the laws, rules of the road, and safe boating procedures, has to make it safer for all of us on the water. Somehow I think I've stumbled into the kiddie pool here when it comes to common sense.

I suspect those folks who are against education and testing are afraid that they, themselves might not pass the test.

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I have common sense AND I do think education would help....that's why I surf boatered!

Nice dig about not being able to pass the test, I do have several USCG certifications, I do it to be a better boater. Heck, my kids got their boater education at 12.

Mandatory is what I have an issue with.
 
Education can take many forms and classroom time is usually very inefficient.

Learning from others mistakes, including accidents like this one, can be a fantastic tool which unfortunately neither the USCG, NTSC or local authorities care to make results from investigation widely available to the public so once the media spotlight fades away, you never really her what caused an accident

Something as simple as an app or website using real world information and accident report would drive the point home with other boaters, a lot better than boring dull classroom theroy
 
If the government would only enact a law that made it illegal to crash into things, this would never happen again.
 
Classroom education for boating is important if for nothing else than to provide the resources and inspiration to gain more knowledge. Of course there is no better education than experience, but, for many people that become interested in boating, especially including those that do not have a history of boating in their family or with their friends, it is important to know the basics and to know how to find the proper resources to help them become competent operators. Not everyone will do so, not everyone will use their "common sense" in life, but it is an important, and in many cases only step to learn the basics for many. Even though I was on a boat with my Dad long before I could operate a boat, when I finally was able to take the helm to operate both power and sailboats on my own, I knew I could learn something from a classroom course. Thats why I took a Power Squadrons course when I was 14 years old. The importance of this course was not only the instructors experience and knowledge but the students in the class which included everyone from young wharf rats like me to old salts. Everyone shared in the class which helped me learn an amazing amount of relevant boating safety, navigation and lore as well as much irrelevant paperwork facts. From there I was able to further my knowledge with practical application (experience) and my own pursuit of boating and sea knowledge including and importantly, reading BoaterEd. When I was finally required to attend the Connecticut State boating certification class some years ago, this now "old salt" didn't complain but looked forward to learning and sharing all that I could to help myself and my classmates learn what I believed was necessary and relevant. It seems that not all classes and instructors are the same and they all don't teach the most relevant information, but as is true in all education, it's what you make of it that counts. Though some of the boaters I know don't always display their common sense (I have even been known to forget to remove a dockline while leaving my slip)I think that most of us are better off for the classroom instruction we have taken.
 
"I suspect those folks who are against education and testing are afraid that they, themselves might not pass the test."

Point there. So you blow it; you take it again (and again) till you get it right. "Inefficient" it may be but you'll still learn something.

If you already know it "all", you're more than likely part of the problem.
 
Willie so far myself included everyone who thinks it's actually a joke to think education would have made any difference in this accident, has passed the basic USCG tests and many have advanced pilot certificates so I think your assumption is wrong.
My point is that education does not replace common sense and common sense can not be taught.
Bill
 
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Originally posted by PeteMrrs

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Originally posted by Delivering Happiness
. . . Those barges need to be moved under the bridge or at list very close to the bridge!

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The important thing is that the barges are properly lit at all times and that all movement is well spelled out within the appropriate notice to mariners.

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You are probably right, what is even a bigger concern is how would all this equipment be handled when construction actually start! Right now the barges are just seating there on each side of the bridge.
 
Allen:

I'm sure the barges will progress with the work as the structure is erected across the river. It will be an ever changing scenario, and one that boaters will have to remain keenly aware of during every phase of construction.
 
Can you pick some Powerball numbers for me?
 
For Christ sake, where do they get those clowns acting as reporters?? This has to be the worst written article I have ever read... And I thought our local rag , the Miami herald, was bad but at least you can blame the Spanglish.

So, this guy hits some rocks, walked inside the power plant and fell asleep?

Sounds like he was tiring to pull a Kennedy. Leave the scene of an accident and sober up.
 
So much for our heightened state of security when a boater is able to enter a power plant and fall asleep.
Pascal I don't know where they get reporters from? They should be called repeaters because all they seem to do is repeat anything told to them. Forget about stringing more than a sentence together to make a story......
Bill
 
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