Lake Lanier drought pictures
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"What you're saying is there's enough water for ALL of Atlanta IF you cut off everyone downstream. Folks in Columbus might have something to say about that."
Yes Willie I am saying that and I'll prove it to you right here. Look at these graphs
Here is the the water level at Buford dam, Lake Lanier
Now here it is at George Dam SOUTH AND BELOW ATLANTA It is actually above full pool!
Now here it is at Lake Seminole also near full pool!
Now here is the graph below Seminole a the Chatahoochee Station on the Apaalachicola see something going on here?
Now again 35 miles south of Seminole
Now you Floridians. These graphs are directly from the Corp web site. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE WATER AT LANIER IS STEADILY DECREASING WHILE AT THE SAME TIME WATER IS PILING UP SOUTH, I REPEAT SOUTH OF METRO ATLANTA. HOW YOU EXPLAIN THAT TO ME? IT OBVIOUSLY IS NOT US USING UP ALL THE WATER OTHERWISE WHY ARE YOU NEARLY AT FULL POOL AT SEMINOLE AND YOUR FLOW IS INCREASING SOUTH OF SEMINOLE?
Yes Willie I am saying that and I'll prove it to you right here. Look at these graphs
Here is the the water level at Buford dam, Lake Lanier
Now here it is at George Dam SOUTH AND BELOW ATLANTA It is actually above full pool!
Now here it is at Lake Seminole also near full pool!
Now here is the graph below Seminole a the Chatahoochee Station on the Apaalachicola see something going on here?
Now again 35 miles south of Seminole
Now you Floridians. These graphs are directly from the Corp web site. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE WATER AT LANIER IS STEADILY DECREASING WHILE AT THE SAME TIME WATER IS PILING UP SOUTH, I REPEAT SOUTH OF METRO ATLANTA. HOW YOU EXPLAIN THAT TO ME? IT OBVIOUSLY IS NOT US USING UP ALL THE WATER OTHERWISE WHY ARE YOU NEARLY AT FULL POOL AT SEMINOLE AND YOUR FLOW IS INCREASING SOUTH OF SEMINOLE?
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How long will it take under the current outflow conditions to bring the levels back to normal? one rainy spring? two? three years??
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The great lakes are also way down. Freighters coming into Muskegon and Grand Haven can't be fully loaded. One freighter tried and grounded, took him a while to get off and he had to another port, off load part of his cargo and then came back.
I used to be able to navigate from Lake Michigan to Mona Lake. Mona Lake is now land locked due to the low water and the public ramp is not usable either.
I used to be able to navigate from Lake Michigan to Mona Lake. Mona Lake is now land locked due to the low water and the public ramp is not usable either.
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I just had me a big plate of hooch mussels for dinner. They were good. Washed them down with a nice california wine. I find the Georgia whines a little too sour for my taste. Thanks for all the water GB.
those pictures are just the ones from our marina- have yet to get out on the lake itself since a couple of weeks before thanksgiving. If this warm trend keeps up i may see if any ramps are still open for use (v.s high and dry like most all of them, if not all of them by now!) and cruise around and take pics. I really want to get out while it is low to see how it looks for my own reference when it starts going back up. Maybe now is the time for me to sea trial that 52 sea ray sedan bridge they've got on the sales dock- that way I won't have to worry about dinging my own props!!! lol 
I know there are other boaters on lanier here on the forums- if anyone gets out take some pics and post them!
Walter and others, I appreciate your kind words and condolenses. It IS sad and makes me sad. I am however, accepting donations of beverages and money to overcome my grief. Please send both ASAP. For lack of a better phrase, all I can say is this situation sucks! Here it was 71 today and I actually had to goof off at the office today instead of dropping anchor somewhere on the boat with the laptop and "working". It better rain a lot the next couple of months or I don't know what I am going to do. I mean- seriously- it won't be an option to be warm out and no access to the boat. May have to hire a crane to haul her out and find a bigger pond to play in or something!
I know there are other boaters on lanier here on the forums- if anyone gets out take some pics and post them!
Walter and others, I appreciate your kind words and condolenses. It IS sad and makes me sad. I am however, accepting donations of beverages and money to overcome my grief. Please send both ASAP. For lack of a better phrase, all I can say is this situation sucks! Here it was 71 today and I actually had to goof off at the office today instead of dropping anchor somewhere on the boat with the laptop and "working". It better rain a lot the next couple of months or I don't know what I am going to do. I mean- seriously- it won't be an option to be warm out and no access to the boat. May have to hire a crane to haul her out and find a bigger pond to play in or something!
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Pascal says "time to do something about water conservation AND desalination. i'm not even sure there are any water restrictions yet down here, even though lake O is at record low levels."
Pascal,stop drinking the lake O cool-aid.
1. we are still under water restrictions.
2. As of January 15 newer stricter permanent water restrictions take effect (one day a week watering for 4 hours).
3. Lake O is not a source of drinking water for South Florida. You'll notice that they always refer to it as the "backup" water supply, but there is no way to get the water to any of the urban areas. Farmers and cane growers are taking a beating. I feel sorry for the farmers.
4. The lake is low because the water mismanagement district drained it before the 2006 hurricane season because the levees are ready to collapse and they didn't want a New Orleans situation to develop if a another hurricane filled the lake. As you know, there were no hurricanes. The levees haven't been fixed, so even if the lake got a lot more rain, they would just drain it again.
5. South Florida dumps hundreds of millions of gallons of water into the ocean each day from treatment plants. Bad for the reefs and a real waste of water. Technology exists to recover and use this water (reducing the need to suck the acquifer dry)but noboday has the balls to make the decision to have grandma pay another 5 bucks a month for water. Also nobody wants to drink what came out of somebody else's toilet. (I always laugh when I hear this from someone who lives on a property with a well and septic system.)
Pascal,stop drinking the lake O cool-aid.
1. we are still under water restrictions.
2. As of January 15 newer stricter permanent water restrictions take effect (one day a week watering for 4 hours).
3. Lake O is not a source of drinking water for South Florida. You'll notice that they always refer to it as the "backup" water supply, but there is no way to get the water to any of the urban areas. Farmers and cane growers are taking a beating. I feel sorry for the farmers.
4. The lake is low because the water mismanagement district drained it before the 2006 hurricane season because the levees are ready to collapse and they didn't want a New Orleans situation to develop if a another hurricane filled the lake. As you know, there were no hurricanes. The levees haven't been fixed, so even if the lake got a lot more rain, they would just drain it again.
5. South Florida dumps hundreds of millions of gallons of water into the ocean each day from treatment plants. Bad for the reefs and a real waste of water. Technology exists to recover and use this water (reducing the need to suck the acquifer dry)but noboday has the balls to make the decision to have grandma pay another 5 bucks a month for water. Also nobody wants to drink what came out of somebody else's toilet. (I always laugh when I hear this from someone who lives on a property with a well and septic system.)
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most restrictions had been lifted.. they've been talking about the new ones since late november but delayed implementation till jan 15th even though the lake is at record low level.. water managers are the ones who need to get off the lake O cool aid...
it's my uynderstandin that some of the water for lake O is used to replenish the aquifer, isn't it ? when the lake is too low, levels in the canals drop and salt water gets in threatening to shut down some of the pumping stations.
anyway, regardless of where the water is coming from, there is a shortage and NOTHING is being done about it until later on this month. that's an irresponsible approach. just like the situation in Ga.
Woodsong, sorry about your boating situation... come on down when you need a fix, we'll take you for a boat ride...
arent' you coming for the boat show ?
Greg, instead of "yelling" as "YOU FLORIDIANS" yell at your governor to pressure the COE to stop wsting waters on mussels to please the damn environazis...
it's my uynderstandin that some of the water for lake O is used to replenish the aquifer, isn't it ? when the lake is too low, levels in the canals drop and salt water gets in threatening to shut down some of the pumping stations.
anyway, regardless of where the water is coming from, there is a shortage and NOTHING is being done about it until later on this month. that's an irresponsible approach. just like the situation in Ga.
Woodsong, sorry about your boating situation... come on down when you need a fix, we'll take you for a boat ride...
arent' you coming for the boat show ?Greg, instead of "yelling" as "YOU FLORIDIANS" yell at your governor to pressure the COE to stop wsting waters on mussels to please the damn environazis...
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"Greg, instead of "yelling" as "YOU FLORIDIANS" yell at your governor to pressure the COE to stop wsting waters on mussels to please the damn environazis..."
Pascal perhaps you have not been up on this. We have tried but FLORIDA sued us in court under the "Endangered Species Act" to keep up the absurdly high water flow. After a drought was obvious we begged Florida to set aside it's demands and they refused. THEN under the auspices of the Secretary of the Interior, the Govs of FL, GA and AL met and came to an agreement on reduced water flow. The ink was not even dry on that deal WHEN THE FLORIDA GOV WELCHED ON THE DEAL AND CALLED IT OFF. Our only choice is to send in the Georgia Guard and take over the gates under force.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/state/orl-water1007nov10,0,1328113.story
Pascal perhaps you have not been up on this. We have tried but FLORIDA sued us in court under the "Endangered Species Act" to keep up the absurdly high water flow. After a drought was obvious we begged Florida to set aside it's demands and they refused. THEN under the auspices of the Secretary of the Interior, the Govs of FL, GA and AL met and came to an agreement on reduced water flow. The ink was not even dry on that deal WHEN THE FLORIDA GOV WELCHED ON THE DEAL AND CALLED IT OFF. Our only choice is to send in the Georgia Guard and take over the gates under force.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/state/orl-water1007nov10,0,1328113.story
When you live in a big glass house be careful where you throw those rocks.
Ever think that it is “you Atlantans” that haven’t done anything about the
developing situation for decades?? No reclaimed system, rampant development
with accompanying increased demand despite no new water sources. No desalination
of coastal water so coastal water could be shared with ATL.
Reminds me of the ant and the grasshopper story.
Ever think that it is “you Atlantans” that haven’t done anything about the
developing situation for decades?? No reclaimed system, rampant development
with accompanying increased demand despite no new water sources. No desalination
of coastal water so coastal water could be shared with ATL.
Reminds me of the ant and the grasshopper story.
corrrect it is tough to deny facts. Florida has had that water for years, And GA has always known that
and done nothing about their problems now after some dry years they blame someone else.
The grashopper was fiddling instead of working. I am not saying that FL shouldn’t help
but all this blaming somebody else for Georgia's poor decisions smacks of liberalism.
and done nothing about their problems now after some dry years they blame someone else.
The grashopper was fiddling instead of working. I am not saying that FL shouldn’t help
but all this blaming somebody else for Georgia's poor decisions smacks of liberalism.
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Definitely more than the drought affecting Lake Lanier. The drought is just as bad in the Carolinas and none of our lakes are down that far.
http://www.duke-energy.com/lakes/levels.asp
http://www.progress-energy.com/aboutenergy/powerplants/hydro/graphs.asp
http://www.duke-energy.com/lakes/levels.asp
http://www.progress-energy.com/aboutenergy/powerplants/hydro/graphs.asp
I don't want to start something here, but if the water is held back
and FL does something to fix the problem with dams or what ever the core decides,
What will happen when the rain starts to fall again.
Will GA be angry that FL does not want the water and it starts a flooding issue?
IMO I think the low lakes are causing less of a problem then severe flooding. Just my $0.02
and FL does something to fix the problem with dams or what ever the core decides,
What will happen when the rain starts to fall again.
Will GA be angry that FL does not want the water and it starts a flooding issue?
IMO I think the low lakes are causing less of a problem then severe flooding. Just my $0.02
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greg, yes i know about that about face. it's a shame.
but i think everybody is to blame... yes, reducing the amount of water which flows out of the lake woudl help in the sort term, but what about in the long run ? can metro Atlanta keep expanding and rely only on lake Lanier ?
same problem in south florida... we have 2, 3, 4 5 times the number of people living down here and until now no concern about water.
but i think everybody is to blame... yes, reducing the amount of water which flows out of the lake woudl help in the sort term, but what about in the long run ? can metro Atlanta keep expanding and rely only on lake Lanier ?
same problem in south florida... we have 2, 3, 4 5 times the number of people living down here and until now no concern about water.