Price of electricity skyrocketing in Europe,

Cost or higher taxes? When I lived in Italy from 1988-91, ENEL (nat'l electricity). Was 25 cents / kilo.
 
Just like gas...costs way more in Europe than here because of taxes.

Easist way to promote conservation, jack up taxes enough that people are more than willing to turn off lights and adjust thermostats.
 
FWIW - I believe the present rate for delivered electricity KWHs is 22.7c here, but that is expected to go up considerably when the latest proposed offshore wind farms eventually go online and the MA governor's mandate to use most of their expensive output goes into effect. I also believe these will put a lot of very favored fishing grounds essentially off-limits.

....Maybe someday I will think of this as decent trade-off for the claimed benefits.
 
I bought a system for my house eight years ago and so far so good. The system paid for itself in seven years. Long Island is 22 cents/KWH and the equipment here is in bad shape so I figured it was a good idea. The only down side is I didn't get the batteries due to expense and their short life. Tesla may soon change that though.
 
Good grief, your electricity is expensive. Residential, I pay 6.5 cents per kwh for the first 650 kwh and 9.5 cents per kwh after that.
 
We were paying .54kwh for years and finally it is down to .30kwh residential, but so are our local and only power companies bonds. Now been downgraded 3 times in the year to extra junk status. (USVI)
 
I agree with WOW on some of your electricity expenses. Last month I used 1274 kwh and paid 177.86 (0.0716293714157202) including $9.99 for a whole house surge protector. My house is full electric, so that is the only utility bill I have except for water. Well, I take that back, I pay $12.xx each month for the gas for my whole house generator. It runs 12 minutes each week to exercise.

I often thank my lucky stars that the man who built my house 38 years ago was good with in wall insulation.

George
 
Marinas in the Bahamas are scalping people to the tune of .85/kwh or anywhere from 20-50 dollars a nite for a 50a plugin.
 
CWMS,
You are correct for auto fuel re taxes in Europe, but the increase in electricity costs are related to mandatory use of "green" energy in the form of wind turbines and solar power. Many States are mandating more and more "green energy" for electricity generation and we will see a price rise similar to that already experienced in countries that have made the switch over from fossil and Nuclear sources.
The point is that electricity currently and mandated biofuels for transportation next for your auto and boat unless there is an adjustment to the agenda.
The US Navy has already been required to use biofuels for one of their fleets at $25/ gallon.
 
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Originally posted by Kevdon22

CWMS,
You are correct for auto fuel re taxes in Europe, but the increase in electricity costs are related to mandatory use of "green" energy in the form of wind turbines and solar power. Many States are mandating more and more "green energy" for electricity generation and we will see a price rise similar to that already experienced in countries that have made the switch over from fossil and Nuclear sources.
The point is that electricity currently and mandated biofuels for transportation next for your auto and boat unless there is an adjustment to the agenda.
The US Navy has already been required to use biofuels for one of their fleets at $25/ gallon.

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"The US Navy has already been required to use biofuels for one of their fleets at $25/ gallon."

I would have to have a very well known and official link that shows that cost. Otherwise, I am one of the doubting Thomas's.

George
 
gcolton,
Here is another source, and yes it is unbelievable that our tax dollars would be squandered that way and unfortunately it is under reported since the MSM really don't want the public to be aware of such waste. It appears that, since the public would not pay such an outrageous price for fuel, this is a backdoor way the Administration to push a program that does not make sense with taxpayers dollars and reward downers.
It has nothing to do with technology development since it has been known for years that it is feasible to produce such biofuels.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/defense-department-pays-29-per-gallon-for-alternative-fuel/
 
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Originally posted by mixman

http://www.maritime-executive.com/article/us-navy-starts-alternative-fuel-use

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-defense-greenfleet-idUSKCN0UY2U4

I'm pretty sure that if one "follows the money" they'd find that the companies making the "biofuel" contribute heavily to certain politicians.

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You need to re-read your references. The $25 per gallon you stated is off by an order of magnitude.

""The Navy pays $2.05 a gallon, thanks in part to a subsidy of 15 cents a gallon from the Commodity Credit Corp, a government-owned enterprise that supports farm products." " This is according to the second reference.

The first reference said, "The Defense Logistics Agency awarded a contract to AltAir Fuels for 77.6 million gallons of the alternative fuel blend, at a cost of $2.05 per gallon, making it cost competitive with traditional fuel"

George
 
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Originally posted by Kevdon22

gcolton,
Here is another source, and yes it is unbelievable that our tax dollars would be squandered that way and unfortunately it is under reported since the MSM really don't want the public to be aware of such waste. It appears that, since the public would not pay such an outrageous price for fuel, this is a backdoor way the Administration to push a program that does not make sense with taxpayers dollars and reward downers.
It has nothing to do with technology development since it has been known for years that it is feasible to produce such biofuels.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/defense-department-pays-29-per-gallon-for-alternative-fuel/

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Your reference is about something that happened in the past and not what is currently happening.

George
 
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Originally posted by gcolton

You need to re-read your references. The $25 per gallon you stated is off by an order of magnitude.

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I'm fully aware that I'm a cynic! :-)

From source #1 & 2:

"In one case it paid $424 a gallon for 20,055 gallons of biofuel based on algae oil. In another it spent nearly $27 per gallon for 450,000 gallons of biofuel, later mixed into a 50-50 blend. The $15-per gallon-cost was four times the price of conventional fuel at the time."

So while that is not "now" we taxpayers sure got screwed on those purchases and somebody(s) got rich off of it.

"The Navy pays $2.05 a gallon, thanks in part to a subsidy of 15 cents a gallon from the Commodity Credit Corp, a government-owned enterprise that supports farm products.

"To boost production of alternative fuels, the Navy has awarded $210 million to help three firms build refineries to make biofuels using woody biomass, municipal waste and used cooking grease and oil. The U.S. Department of Agriculture is providing an additional $161 million in crop supports."

So the taxpayers are paying $2.20 per gallon with the $.15 subsidy. How much is it when we add in the $371,000,000 that is noted above? Again, somebody(s) is getting rich off the taxpayers here.

I'm all for letting the market work it out. If naturally occurring crude is cheaper, let's use it. If 100% privately financed alternatives are cheaper, let's use them. IMO government has no place in subsidizing this stuff (with tax money). That cynical part of me thinks it works like this:

Corporation X gives politician Y a bunch of perks and donations and gets a $100,000,000 contract to produce a product that is actually more expensive than what is already on the market. Sort of like ethanol!
 
Look up Indy Power Systems....they are about to introduce a system to use repurposed flooded batteries....the most economical storage available...rb2@gr5t$1.00 per year per battery..battery can still be recycled at end of life.
 
I can buy diesel right now for less than 2.20 a gallon as a retail customer. If the Navy is paying anywhere north of 1.80 a gallon, they're paying too much. Ditto jet fuel.
 
I just bought off road diesel for $1.95 in The Peoples Republic of Maryland.
 
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