Russian Fighters Buzz Navy Ship

Boat bum, how do you know there are no nukes on a destroyer? The U.S. Navy will not confirm or deny their presence.
Carver, "a harmless fly by"??? YGTBSM! Come down to Norfolk and get within 500' of a warship with your boat, don't respond to the security vessels in the area and see what happens.
 
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Boat bum, how do you know there are no nukes on a destroyer? The U.S. Navy will not confirm or deny their presence.
Carver, "a harmless fly by"??? YGTBSM! Come down to Norfolk and get within 500' of a warship with your boat, don't respond to the security vessels in the area and see what happens.

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Ya ya ya. Try and find someone else's postings to yap about.. I said it SEEMED like a harmless fly by.. Lots said it was no big deal, but you have to spout off about mine. Very unprofessional being a stalker for someone that was SUPPOSE to be a professional. Maybe that was the problem for the fail..
And I could really give a rats ass about Norfolk or any warnings from anyone. I have no desire to go there..
 
Sorry Carver. Both Greg's are correct. I was boarded by the USCG for cutting a red buoy too close in an open channel. I faced three .50 calls. One on the USCG RIB. One each on the two USN RIB's flanking P&S. My retiree Military ID did nothing to quiet the storm.

Before she was scrapped, I could tell you where the Novorossiysk Needed paint on the stern.
 
"Reason for the fail"??? Not sure what you're talking about. You don't count well either, I commented on 2 posts, yours' and boatbum's. "Seemed like a harmless fly by"--- still the most uninformed comment in the thread. And, you " could give a rat"s ass about any warnings from anyone". Another gem.
 
If you looked closely a couple of those planes were carrying ELINT pods. Nothing wrong with that as long as you do it at a distance. What they were doing was a provocation to get the ship to light up its E-Defense. The Captain was not biting and they got more and more provocative including attack echelons. That is the reason for multiple passes, closer and closer. Dangerous way to play the intelligence game and you have to wonder why Putin is risking so much to gather this information. Undoubtedly, he believes it will be useful in the near future and that my friends is why this is scary. Harmless does not begin to describe what happens here unless you live blithely in the shadow and are the beneficiary of a powerful nation's defenses.
 
Yes , I agree that is exactly what was going on.

Those Navy ships should start carrying slingshots that could toss a handful of bolts up about 100' in the air when this stuff is going on. Or perhaps just a pencil laser or a recreational drone such as hit a plane landing at US airport very recently. About 20 of those drones hovering around over the ship might be a decent proximity deterrant. Or maybe a very close range EMF gun to knock out onboard systems or ELINT .

I wonder how close our ELINT planes get to their ships but we may not hear about.
 
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LOL

You guys are to funny!

This stuff was not an uncommon occurrence back in the day on both sides and nobody was shooting down planes right and left then.

Thank God our leaders, in both parties, have cooler more thoughtful heads and are far wiser than to get into an international dick measuring contest with another super power over nothing than the average Internet poster would seem to be so ready to do.

As to the "30 feet" comment, based on that video, somebody needs to get their eyes calibrated.

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You are correct this stuff used to happen all the time and there exists a memoradum of understanding between the US and Russia on the protocols for such actions. These protocols were not followed in this instance, the two most notable, running in an attack echelon and most notably, NOT responding on guard frequency which all aircraft should monitor in intl airspace. The last time a Russian fighter did not respond on guard, he was shot down, by the Turks and the pilot killed. You would think they would have learned their lesson. What happened here is not every day occurance because it was outside the agreed to norms of conduct.

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You really believe in all the other instances of this the proper "protocols" we're followed?

First, the Turks claimed the plane was in their air space over their country as I tecall.

Second, in this case we were smarter than Turkey.

And thirdly, it doesn't matter if this doesn't happen everyday. Shooting down the planes in this case would have been stupid, needlessly provocative and could have given the Russians just the information you say they may have been trying to get.

So all told, it seems like the desision not to shoot them down was a wise one after all.

http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/2016/04/13/why-navy-didnt-shoot-down-russian-jets/83000858/

""You don’t get to kill people just because they’re being annoying," said Hoffman, ""

Typical pinko, left wing liberal thinking. What a wuss. LOL
 
Ah yes..... The Navy Times. A fine literature masterpiece. Ask any parrot in any cage!
 
Now that you've tried to kill the messenger, do you have any comments on the actual message?

From this source and others, all indications seem to be that the ships commander has the ability and authority to shoot the planes down if he deems it necessary no matter who is president. And those who have been in similar command circumstances think he did the right thing.

So?
 
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Originally posted by Capt. Bill1

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Originally posted by GeeBee

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Originally posted by Capt. Bill1

LOL

You guys are to funny!

This stuff was not an uncommon occurrence back in the day on both sides and nobody was shooting down planes right and left then.

Thank God our leaders, in both parties, have cooler more thoughtful heads and are far wiser than to get into an international dick measuring contest with another super power over nothing than the average Internet poster would seem to be so ready to do.

As to the "30 feet" comment, based on that video, somebody needs to get their eyes calibrated.

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You are correct this stuff used to happen all the time and there exists a memoradum of understanding between the US and Russia on the protocols for such actions. These protocols were not followed in this instance, the two most notable, running in an attack echelon and most notably, NOT responding on guard frequency which all aircraft should monitor in intl airspace. The last time a Russian fighter did not respond on guard, he was shot down, by the Turks and the pilot killed. You would think they would have learned their lesson. What happened here is not every day occurance because it was outside the agreed to norms of conduct.

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You really believe in all the other instances of this the proper "protocols" we're followed?

First, the Turks claimed the plane was in their air space over their country as I tecall.

Second, in this case we were smarter than Turkey.

And thirdly, it doesn't matter if this doesn't happen everyday. Shooting down the planes in this case would have been stupid, needlessly provocative and could have given the Russians just the information you say they may have been trying to get.

So all told, it seems like the desision not to shoot them down was a wise one after all.

http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/2016/04/13/why-navy-didnt-shoot-down-russian-jets/83000858/

""You don’t get to kill people just because they’re being annoying," said Hoffman, ""

Typical pinko, left wing liberal thinking. What a wuss. LOL

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My point is this. No you would not shoot them down, but the fact is this kind of action, just as the "thunder runs" through NAT airspace with the Bear bombers is going to get someone hurt. It may be the Russians, or it may be one of ours, but the "rules of engagement" are set up so no one gets hurt and everyone gets what they need, and yes those rules were set up because of prevous "close calls". My point about the Turkish shoot down was as in this case, again protocols were not followed and the result was a needless death. Equally so, the Russians failed to use guard freq with KAL 007 and again needless deaths. How many people have to die for Russian arrogance with regard to monitoring guard?

You can say, "well this was different because...." All you want. The reality is all these deaths and close calls have ONE THING IN COMMON. Failure to monitor and respond on guard freq AT A MINIMUM. Decency and concern for human life requires this act otherwise you are being wreckless.
 
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Originally posted by Capt. Bill1

Now that you've tried to kill the messenger, do you have any comments on the actual message?

From this source and others, all indications seem to be that the ships commander has the ability and authority to shoot the planes down if he deems it necessary no matter who is president. And those who have been in similar command circumstances think he did the right thing.

So?

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Rules of engagement changed drastically under Clinton. I left the Navy under Clinton. I cannot say what has or has not changed since then. I can tell you I know of men who turned down second and third commands that would line them up for flag. True leaders lead.

As for did the CO do the right thing? A handful of sailors know.
 
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