Shore power cords

I use Hubbel however when it comes time to change the transome outlets I will be switching to the new stlye Smart plugs on the transome as well as the cord end.
Bill
 
Although the Smart Plug seems like a pretty good idea, I'm just curious how many if any of the ports you travel to have any plans to put in a receptacle for the plug on their docks? I've asked the dockmasters at all the ports that we visit in Nantucket, Marthas Vineyard, Block Island, Newport and Long Island, not a single one has said they intend to instal them.

Just wondering?
 
I think the dock side plug on a Smart Plug is the same standard plug in use now for 30, 50 and 100 amp dock side hook ups. It would have to be or they wouldn't sell very many cords. :-)
 
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Originally posted by Ghost

The Marinco's are complete crap. .......




Any time I see someone use the word "crap", "POS", etc. to describe a manufacturer's product, especially an established product, I pretty much disregard the rest of the post because it's obviously biased.

If you have some objective comparisons or studies by experts in the field comparing different manufacturer's versions of the same product, I would be glad to read them. "Crap" doesn't cut it.
 
quote:

Originally posted by Ghost

The Marinco's are complete crap. .......




Any time I see someone use the word "crap", "POS", etc. to describe a manufacturer's product, especially an established product, I pretty much disregard the rest of the post because it's obviously biased.

If you have some objective comparisons or studies by experts in the field comparing different manufacturer's versions of the same product, I would be glad to read them. "Crap" doesn't cut it.
 
If your cords are in decent shape, you can also get Smart Plug retrofit kits for your cords and boat.
 
While the "Smart Plug" seems like a good idea, it means changing the cord or cord cap (in my case, on two cords, a short one and a long one) and changing the inlet on the boat.

The problem I see with changing the inlet on the boat is, now you cannot use a standard cordset anymore, just an uncommon, non-standard "Smart Plug". If you're on a trip somewhere and lose or damage your power cord, you're pretty much out of luck as far as plugging into shorepower until you find a store that sells them.

When the day comes that they are sitting on a shelf at every West Marine store, I will consider them.
 
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Originally posted by rawidman

quote:

Originally posted by Ghost

The Marinco's are complete crap. .......




Any time I see someone use the word "crap", "POS", etc. to describe a manufacturer's product, especially an established product, I pretty much disregard the rest of the post because it's obviously biased.

If you have some objective comparisons or studies by experts in the field comparing different manufacturer's versions of the same product, I would be glad to read them. "Crap" doesn't cut it.








An expert in the field of shore power cords? Now that would truly be the class nerd that always got picked last for dodgeball.

"Crap" can cut it for me, especially if the person posting it has real experience with the product.

Fancy expert reviews in boating rags don't cut it for me, they are bought and paid for by advertisers. Their articles and "reviews" are nothing but biased crap.

There, I saved it for the end of the post for you.
 
"An expert in the field of shore power cords? Now that would truly be the class nerd that always got picked last for dodgeball."

While Harvey Hubbell may have gotten picked last, I'll bet he could afford to own quite a few dodgeball teams in the end.
 
New kid on the block is Furrion out of China. I picked up a Marinco and a Furrion at the same time. The Furrion seemed much lighter in weight which to me makes no sense. I figured 10 gauge wire is 10 gauge wire. The weight has to be cut somewhere. They are much cheaper.

I'm curious. Are they all made in China now?
 
Yes I have opinions, strong ones. I don't mind the challenging question either, even if put in a rather direct way, I deal with that well in my line of work. Cool, lets talk turkey and see if this is an opinion that is casual or formed in more substantial ways.

Because I'm a packrat, I likely can back up my opninions on this one. When the Marinco's units melt (seems like almost always at the boat end) I generally cut the ends off and throw them in a drawer. I MIGHT have a couple to pull out. I have at least one, the last one I replaced a couple weeks ago when I finally put in the Smart Plug. For the past few years, I've been fighting the Marinco units. In the 5+ years I have owned this boat I've replaced 3 burnt ends. Granted, one change I'm considering is moving the shore power outlets from the outside of the hull where they are easily splahsed, to just inside the gunwhale. I'm pretty disciplined about securing the receptacles, but I still wonder if moving them would help. A couple of the problems I see, one is that the contacts just don't seem to engage well tight full contact and secure, and second the half twist lock is just not secure enough. I ALWAYS secure the locking colars well, but where I'm at, the boat gets rocked rather frequently and I notice that the plugs still seem to let the contacts jiggle even when the colars are screwed down. With poor contact area and a propensity to move a little, it only takes VERY small amounts of corrosion for these things to start the downhill slide. The fact that the dock side receptacles look like they almost never get changed and I've yet to find one you could actually screw the locking colar onto, means that there is an amount of resistance in the circuit we just have to live with anyway so everything else better be tippy top shape. (My ugly looking shore power pedestal at the PORT OF EVERETT actually burnt down in front of me, fire estinguishers and all two years ago now. Seems the marina's plans are to let them burn down before ever maintaining them.

It's always in the winter, when I'm trying to run a couple heaters. Diesel boat folks, lets stay on topic. I've just found that my rule is to NEVER run more than about 20 amps through these 30 amp inlets when I leave the boat unattended. When I've run more than that, even 25 amps, I'll eventually come back to a warm receptacle. I'm sorry, but not getting more than about a season and a half out of a cord/receptacle combo starts getting warm is just not good. I do try to keep my cord ends clean and pay attention to the receptacle, wheras I hardly ever see others doing the same.

In the same time, I've also renewed every single electrical anything from the shore power to the panel. Everything is new and upgraded. At one point I might have blamed as contributing the old wiring from the shore power receptacle to the panel, but on the last burnt cord end I can't even blame that.

As for fireman, its a pretty well known (traceable) fact that there have been multiple boat fires in the last ten years here in Seattle that made the news (always in a covered dock where multiple boats get torched) and the shore power has been blamed in at least one of these fires. SmartPlug is local to me and yes I got a personal tour of their product last year at their HQ when they donated one of their plugs to our boat club. The company founder showed me all the features of their product, the heavy lugs that can carry much more than the rated capacity. The thermostatic capability of breaking the connection automatically if the plug overheats. The better sealing capabilities. Yes, I'm obviously sold on this products superiority. They have burnt examples of the marinco units laying everywhere, part of the reason I save any burnt end so I can contribute to the Marinco legacy of continuing to make money on a product that has a rather proven track record of failure.

I don't think I've ever even SEEN a Hubbell around Seattle. I'll have to look. Everyone carries Marinco, though I understand the "design" of the Hubbell/Marinco is the same, though I suspect hubbell may use better parts and that will matter (can't say, never seen one in person). Still, the design falls short.

I don't know why there does not seem to be the want of a better product in some regions. Maybe its because your boats are not in the water during months where heaters (and therefore near continuous rated amperage) are running. I don't know. I'm just surprised that some of you guys just don't see problems with the marinco units. All I can say is that in the summer, unless we plug into a reverse polarity dock, I almost never lose a cable. Probably because while the peak loads may get to capacity the average loads don't, I dunno. I just know that in my neck of the woods, this time of year, burnt cord ends happen all the time, boats and docks catch fire and I worry more about the guys I'm next to (that I can't control) because I seem to be on top of watching cord ends more than the average guy (who is not a tech geek). I put my hand on the shore power connecter testing for heat every time i walk by one.

So, at least for me, my love affair with Smartplug has less to do with my love for what is clearly a superior product and more to do with my history of witnessing burnt crispy melted plug ends made by Marinco. If the product is rated for 30 amps in a marine environment, then I want to see it actually last for more than 6 months in that environment, at that amp capacity, not just when its brand new.

I'll see if I can find the plugs, maybe get a picture, but hopefully you can see my opinion is based on more than just conjecture.

Have fun guys, but realize there is more at stake here than just getting our feelings hurt.
 
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Originally posted by Ghost

Yes I have opinions, strong ones. I don't mind the challenging question either, even if put in a rather direct way, .........





Well, that's just it. If you state your reasons why you consider a product inferior, they are out there for the reader to consider. If you simply call a product (other than feces) "crap", you have said nothing.

My boat is in the water year round with the heat/AC on. There is quite a bit of movement also. I don't know how old my shorepower cord is, but it was on the boat when I bought it. Periodically, I check the temperature of the cord cap and inlet with an IR thermometer after the heat or AC has been running for a while. No rise in temperature and no visible signs of overheating. I don't know the brand, but I suspect it's Marinco as it seems to be the most common around here.

I will keep checking and replace the cord and possibly the inlet as soon as I detect a problem. I'll stay with the standard design for now but I might go with a different brand.
 
Ron, fair enough. Just realize that "crap" takes 2 seconds to write whereas the full explanation takes longer. :)

Have a good weekend!

As far as the connector is concerned, like the marinco I can put a new cord on the existing end at any time. I also believe the "molded" cords are either in or about to be in chandlery's which makes buying a cord WITH the (boat) end already attached easier and cheaper. I like the original non molded into the cord ones because I can swap any cord at any time. I'll keep my current marinco cords as I can plug them into the end of the existing cord to double the length when needed.
 
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Originally posted by vic33004

when i replaced my shore power cords in the glendining unit a few years back ..........




RE: Glendining units

I have found that Glendining will make up a replacement cord in any length you want at a very competitive price
 
If you want a replacement cable for the Glendining give a call to Wards Marine Electric in Ft. Liquordale and see how they stack up.

The have a quality cable that they sell with their name imprinted in the casing. Wards 'IS' the best in marine electric in the yachting world in S.Fla.
 
Ghost, replacing 3 burnt ends in 5 years seems excessive even if the old style plug isn't ideal. You mentioned maybe the fact that boaters in your area run heaters a lot while most areas don't, and maybe that is part of the problem (does seem like a lot of marina fires are in the PNW). Then again I leave my block heaters on all season which draws a steady 15 amps and I keep the fridge and freezer on. My boat is docked behind my house and even though I've never had a problem I touch both ends of the shorepower cord frequently to check and I've never once in 7 years with this boat felt even the slightest bit of warmth. It's 50amp and the inlet on the boat is very well protected in a compartment under the gunnel where I'd pretty much have to shoot it with a hose intentionally to get it wet. The cord set I'm looking to replace is probably the original from the boat (1995) and it's never been repaired as far as I know (definitely not since I've had it). I'm going to check tomorrow, it may be a marinco. I can't remember ever speaking to anyone who had to replace shore power cords every other year before. My first thought was that maybe there's some underlying problem with your boats electrical system, but I see you replaced everything. Do you have a single 30 amp coming in or 2?
 
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Originally posted by Robyns Nest

If you want a replacement cable for the Glendining give a call to Wards Marine Electric in Ft. Liquordale and see how they stack up.

The have a quality cable that they sell with their name imprinted in the casing. Wards 'IS' the best in marine electric in the yachting world in S.Fla.






I don't know about that. But they sure charge like they are. :-)
 
quote:

Originally posted by Ghost

I've just found that my rule is to NEVER run more than about 20 amps through these 30 amp inlets when I leave the boat unattended. When I've run more than that, even 25 amps, I'll eventually come back to a warm receptacle.






There is nothing to unusual about a 30a cord end getting warm at a 25 or so amp full time load. 30a cords are not rate to take 30a full time anyway. And once any or all the connections start to deteriorate a bit, that working load drops even more.
 
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Originally posted by JohnC

Ghost, replacing 3 burnt ends in 5 years seems excessive even if the old style plug isn't ideal. You mentioned maybe the fact that boaters in your area run heaters a lot while most areas don't, and maybe that is part of the problem (does seem like a lot of marina fires are in the PNW). Then again I leave my block heaters on all season which draws a steady 15 amps and I keep the fridge and freezer on. My boat is docked behind my house and even though I've never had a problem I touch both ends of the shorepower cord frequently to check and I've never once in 7 years with this boat felt even the slightest bit of warmth. It's 50amp and the inlet on the boat is very well protected in a compartment under the gunnel where I'd pretty much have to shoot it with a hose intentionally to get it wet. The cord set I'm looking to replace is probably the original from the boat (1995) and it's never been repaired as far as I know (definitely not since I've had it). I'm going to check tomorrow, it may be a marinco. I can't remember ever speaking to anyone who had to replace shore power cords every other year before. My first thought was that maybe there's some underlying problem with your boats electrical system, but I see you replaced everything. Do you have a single 30 amp coming in or 2?






John consider Tstats on the heaters. I was admonished by a mechanic about not having them on ours but we don't leave them on anyway. Something about drying up the cylinders.
 
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