US navy collision

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Originally posted by Robski97

Has anyone seen the ais footage . The cargo ship changed course 180degrees before the crash . Just saying

Rob

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"Just saying" what? Do you have information that the cargo ship reversed course? or just speculating?

George
 
What i see from the still of the AIS track the ACX did turn to port, then hard to starboard I'm assuming after the hit. then did a couple of 180's. The first one maybe to check on Fitzgerald?
 
Shipping Company disputes time of collision, they say it happened at 1330 local.

Per the Wall Street Journal

Tracking data sent by the cargo ship, the ACX Crystal, showed it reversed course around 2:05 a.m. local time, shortly before the time of the collision given by the U.S. Navy of approximately 2:20 a.m.

However, Nippon Yusen K.K . , the Japanese shipping company that operates the 728-foot-long ACX Crystal, has stated that the collision occurred around 1:30 a.m. That discrepancy hasn’t been resolved.

“She did not reverse the course before the collision. She did after the collision,” a Nippon Yusen company spokesman said.

I just hope all of the crew on watch aboard the M/V ACX Crystal spoke the same language and dialect.
 
When did the Port Bow of the ACX Crystal become the Port Quarter of the ACX Crystal????????????
 
Much as I hate to agree with a Russian who puts most of the blame for this on "us" I agree with Mr. Voytenko when he writes in the maritimebulletin link above:
"most probably in this accident too, both ships are responsible for the collision, to a more or less degree. Navies in most cases, are more to blame, if you ask me. Navy ships have a specially assigned sailor for each and every task, from watching to plotting maneuvers. Navy ships are always ready to reverse engines or change course. Merchant ships are resembling big passenger jets – take-off, straight flight, landing, with as few maneuvers as possible"
If there are ships capable of intercepting and/avoiding another ship, they're U.S. Navy Aegis Destroyers/Cruisers. And, relative to a cargo ship, they're far more responsive and maneuverable. Cargo ships are to be avoided, long before that last minute in extremis.
 
So if the Capt was in his berth, what is his accountability here?
 
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Originally posted by getakey

So if the Capt was in his berth, what is his accountability here?

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Pretty close to total, only thing that might get him off if if he can prove mutiny.
 
"what is his accountability here?"

Quick answer: His crew, his problem.

Certainly, there are others within his command who will have to stand for those things within their authority, but for the Captain: The Buck Stops Here.
 
The Captain assumes full responsibility wherever he is on the ship and whatever he's doing at the time of the incident. Those on the bridge are following the Captain's standing orders as well as the 11 general orders when on the bridge in the absence of the Captain.
 
A mystery how a warship could be transiting a busy channel without sufficient watchstanders and officers alert and on duty to notice an impending collision. The merchant ship crew is not without blame either.
 
This sounds so much like the USS PORTER collision in 2012. Here's a pic of PORTER
USS-Porter-2.jpeg

As I mentioned above, point of impact within a few yards of FITZGERALD, and again Starboard side. PORTER was more fortunate. No injuries, and the ship that hit them was a big Tanker, 315000 tons! Taking local time into account, collisions were within an hour or so of each other.
I'd like to know how their watches were organized. If they had CIC up, as well as the bridge watch, I don't know how they could NOT have been aware Something Was Out There. PORTER had CO on the bridge, and the OOD was the one who spotted the tanker.
 
Latest info says that the Cargo ship was likely on autopilot and perhaps no one even on the bridge at time of crash. U-turn performed after crash to confirm what happened. Incident not reported by either crew until ~1 hour after the crash.
 
I wonder if their hull was aluminium or steel, it sure wrinkled? I slept in the same area for 3 years on a destroyer built in 45. Heard the screws coming out of the water during bad storms but never thought of being vulnerable to collision, was young then.

Ken
 
The captain can delegate authority, not responsibility.
 
I read a book about building this class of destroyers. Said the hull plating is 5/8" high strength steel.
 
Military 101: The commander is responsible for every thing his command does. . . or fails to do.
 
This is all pure speculation. I doubt nobody was on the bridge... may be whoever was there fell asleep and panicked in the aftermath but nobody on watch? I doubt it

In any case it doesn't explain how a us navy destroyer ended up in front of a container ship
 
Agree that there should have been someone on watch
However,and it is speculation, but do you agree that AIS track supports speculation that Cargo ship turned around after collision
 
This may be a dumb question, but if two ships of the same class suffered the same casualty is there any chance of some weird radar blind spot there? Visual watch should have still seen it coming, but if the area is that busy perhaps they confused several ship's lights?
 
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