Carver 44 Sojourn PICS

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Here are some pics, people...I hope you all like them.

44SojournDock.jpg


44Sojournside.jpg


44Soujourn-36Mariner.jpg


44SojournGalley-dinette.jpg


44Sojourn_Running.jpg
 
wow. I like that. Still a little squirrely looking but it's really a very well updated mariner and looks like a great layout. I predict it will be a very popular inland lake boat! The old 36 mariner has probably the most spacious layout of any boat her size.
 
looks like a mariner with 2 diving platforms. would love to see the triple lindy from the top one.
 
yep thats one pretty mariner.. Needs a bow pulpit though.. Very practival boat.. can you get desiels this time ? Now I just wait 20 years to afford it ! By then my old tub will be ready for her next owner..
 
Gas or diesel inboards and gas or diesel Volvo IPS. The one we have on order will have the diesel IPS. The hull is an all new design and is designed around the IPS system. It also has a deeper vee than Mariners have had in the past. It should be fine on more than just inland lakes
 
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looks like a mariner with 2 diving platforms. would love to see the triple lindy from the top one.
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Yes, that's it! I wasn't sure why my eye was going straight to those platforms, but it makes sense now. Rodney would love it.

I wish I were more skilled in PhotoShop - I'd like to spin the arch to be aft-facing to see how that would look.

She's otherwise interesting-looking with few objectionable lines, and I'm sure it WILL be popular.

I wonder if future Mariners will adopt the shape of that salon window?
 
"It should be fine on more than just inland lakes"

oh great... means we're going to have to see these things on water out here soon.

that is one butt ugly boat! i dont' care how much interior room it has. Heck, give the thing an extra foot of beam but make it look like a boat. that interior shot must be poorly taken because the saloon looks smaller than most 40/45 sedans.
 
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"It should be fine on more than just inland lakes"

oh great... means we're going to have to see these things on water out here soon.

that is one butt ugly boat! i dont' care how much interior room it has. Heck, give the thing an extra foot of beam but make it look like a boat. that interior shot must be poorly taken because the saloon looks smaller than most 40/45 sedans.

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Like you don't see Mariners there right now!?

So...design that is different from everyone else is ugly? It must be pretty popular though, because it's been around since 1997 and happens to be one of the most popular boats around.

The boat is over 14 feet wide...you DO realize that that galley pic shows, basically, THE GALLEY and not the entire salon? I would hope an experienced boater such as yourself would have seen that the picture is less than half of the width of the salon!

And the side decks are probably wider than your 53 Hatteras.
 
yeah, i realize it's half the saloon... but still that's a small half! take a look at the old maxum 46 for instance, traditional design and it looks bigger inside.

maybe these side decks are 18" or wider, cant' tell but it's not just about the exact width, it's about having to climb steps up from the cockpit to the FB and then down the bow, not practical. And by raising the side decks so high, there is no way to get on or off the boat except in the cockpit. so you're at the bow, you want to go on the dock to adjust the bow line, you have to go up to the FB and down the steps to the cockpit?

Styling is personal preference, but talk to any stylist/designer, whether it's cars or boats or even industrial design and one thing will come out: simple flowing lines. Look at designs that have universally been recognized as "beautiful".. I don't know... Hinckley picnic boat? Most of Jack Hargrave designs? Tom Fexas's boats too... Most Ferraris? Jag XKE? they all have one thing in common, one or two simple flowing lines and good proportion. Kind of like a beautiful woman... dont' know about you but i think a woman's body need to be well proportioned.

look at this boat.. you have lines diverging, dipping in the middle, angles and curves... a very short bow, and an arse that's dragging behind in the water. too confusing, too many elements added on.

just my personal opinion... but you posted these picture to get opinions so... here you go.

Now... I got to go outside and look at Viking 55 sportfish two slips down to flush my eyes...
 
I love Carver's, own a current generation styling Carver and my next boat will probably be a Carver....however, the Mariner and now the Sojourn are two of the most butt-ugly boats ever built.....how can a firm that employs Nuvolari-Lenard and BMW Design studios waste their time on what essentially is a beached whale ???........MY PERSONAL OPINION !!
 
Pascal...I don't see the steps you do down to the bow ...like the 36 Mariner, once you are up from the cockpit, the rest of the boat is at the same level. Silverton has their Sidewalk Series in which you have to go down steps to the foredeck. Also, the foredeck may be small, but it is flat and quite spacious for working anchors and or dock lines.

Does it look like a Viking, Ocean, Egg Harbor or Hatteras Sprtfish...no, but it's not intended to. It's market will be people who now have and love the 350/36 Mariner and want to step up to a larger boat of the same design

Woodsong...I do not have pricing info on it yet...sorry

Zolna...Nuvolari-Lenard and BMW Design are both involved in the Marquis line and have nothing to do with the Carver line (except for the 43/47 Motor Yacht), but that may change...who knows. They "waste their time" with this series, because this series sells. The Mariner models have saved Carver several times. These are also (if I'm told correctly) to be quite "normal" looking in Europe as they are heavily Euro influenced.
 
AWESOME!! Looks like my 350 Mariner took some steroids!

Regarding "most butt ugly boats" - wow, guess you don't get around much - I can make a run through any marina and see many more butt ugly boats, but as you know, beauty is in the eye of the beholder....some boats that you may think are the "cats meow" just wouldn't do it for me - funny thing - I've posted this before but I feels it's worth posting again - I typically get "wow, that's the best looking boat I've seen, etc...and similar comments - yes, it's heavy on the Euro styling....my '99 is still contemporary, if NOT ahead of its time. Do I still like the traditional-styled boats...you bet!!
 
how do go from the cockpit to the bow? dont' you have to climb 5 or 6 steps up to the FB first?
how do you get off the boat except at the cockpit?

it is a well known fact among cruisers that high side decks can be an issue when docking at low/floating docks. On a larger boat, you dont' have much choices but on a sub 50/55 footer i don't think that raising the side decks just to squeeze in a few extra sq ft of cabin space is a good trade off.

what happens at a marina where you have short fingers and you cant' back in because the end of the slip is too shallow? not that uncommon. What about in places where you have to come in bow first, like in many marinas in california? how do you get off the boat if your stern is too far from the finger pier?

It will sell, no question about it...
 
Ramsport....I realize that Nuvari-Lenard is asociated with the Marquis Brand but I will differ on BMW design as I have Caver brochure in front of me which introduced the 43 Motor yacht and 42 Super Sport which indicates that styling was heavily influenced by the BMW design team.......several other Carver adverts have indicated this relationship......

I certainly do agree that the Mariner has "saved" Carver finacially = but that was when it was priced reasonably as their entry level boat....may stil be it's cheapest but it's price point certainly gives pause these days....the 44 Sojourn, if I recall correctly from the Michigan City Boat show was around $500k
 
Once again Carver designed an interior and wrapped kind of a boat around it. They even colored it like Shamu.
 
Pascal - most boats I've been on (with the exception of runabouts), you exit at the cockpit - as far as going forward - of all the boats I've been on, mine seems to be the easiest/safest for getting to the bow, whether from the bridge or the cockpit - it's NICE to have tall bowrails...rather than holding on for dear life and contorting out and around while on an express cruiser. Just my experience/observations...you know, as a butt ugly Carver owner (hey, the boat, or me???? lol).

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how do go from the cockpit to the bow? dont' you have to climb 5 or 6 steps up to the FB first?
how do you get off the boat except at the cockpit?

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I like the boat. I has a market place for family boaters and people who want funtion over style.
 
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Originally posted by PascalG

how do go from the cockpit to the bow? dont' you have to climb 5 or 6 steps up to the FB first?
how do you get off the boat except at the cockpit?

it is a well known fact among cruisers that high side decks can be an issue when docking at low/floating docks. On a larger boat, you dont' have much choices but on a sub 50/55 footer i don't think that raising the side decks just to squeeze in a few extra sq ft of cabin space is a good trade off.

what happens at a marina where you have short fingers and you cant' back in because the end of the slip is too shallow? not that uncommon. What about in places where you have to come in bow first, like in many marinas in california? how do you get off the boat if your stern is too far from the finger pier?

It will sell, no question about it...

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3 steps up to side decks...not that far from an express cruiser...tall, yes, but not as tall as you think.

I have a big question for you...how do YOU do all these things you mention...you can't, so you make do...I don't care if it's a motor yacht or another type of boat, you make do with what you have. I'd like to see any aft cabin boater reach a floating dock from the bow without jumping down and possibly breaking an ankle...so does that mean no one should buy an aft cabin? I don't know about other areas, but every marina up here on Lake Erie has big enough docks for whatever size boat you have...if not, you go on to the next one which isn't that far away.
 
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