Carver 44 Sojourn PICS

RamSport47 said:

Here are some pics, people...I hope you all like them.

Then RamSport47 said:

Gas or diesel inboards and gas or diesel Volvo IPS. The one we have on order will have the diesel IPS.

Then Woodsong asked:

What's the price for this boat?

Then RamSport said:

Woodsong...I do not have pricing info on it yet...sorry




Am I missing something here?

RamSport,

Did you hit the lottery or your head?
 
i'm trying to compare apples to apples here, which is a that 44 footer to the typical 40/45 sedan (NOT express). Silverton convertibles, Sea Ray Sedanbridge, Maxum 41 or 46, Meridian.. take your pick.

this is not an aft cabin, it's a cockpit boat, isn't it?

on all of the above, the side deck is about 2 to 3' lower than on this carver... I agree that jumping off the bow is never ideal, but 2 or 3 feet makes a big difference. i just dont' see the point of raising the sidedecks that high above the cabin just to get an extra couple of square feet...

I think we've been thru this before, and since you work for a carver dealer your blind allegiance has been established in the past.
 
I think you should stop now until you actually SEE this boat next to the boats you mentioned. I believe they will be similar in height. I also don't think you could "hop" off the bow of any of those boats you mentioned.

As far as allegience...yes...I have it, I've worked with them for 28 years and at least I'm supporting something I sell, not just something I think is prettier or better

David...Why does it seem so odd that a service tech would not have pricing for a boat that is not even officially out yet?
 
Carvers are for some and not others, I guess. The fact that Ram likes them, makes him blind ? I like them also and driving a similiarly constructed boat now.. I have never jumped off the bow..Have never even come close to needing to. The fact is this is a very practical design that will provide great comfort to lots of boaters. Many people use boats like vacation homes ( Me included ) I cruise my boat each week at least once but spend whole days "inside". I work from my boat here and there. Those extra square feet go a long way.. especially in a smaller boat. Someday I would like to get a big Hat, but until that day the space, cost and practicality of the carver is great. It woukld be really cool if the hard top where strong enough for the kids to jump off ! What fun would that be !
 
Pascal - I've gotta say that in the past you've made some comments, particularly about Carvers, that were not true, not flaming ya, just pointing it out - had you actually been on the boat yourself you'd go "of course, pardon me for saying that, I see what you mean" - the one point in particular I remember was about room on the bow of a Carver, a Mariner from what I recall.
 
It's definitely taking the Mariner design up a notch, but for me it just looks nose-heavy -- lots of "weight" forward and light in the tush, which is a positive change from the Voyagers. Nothing'll be the 42 SS, though -- when I win the lottery, that's what I'll be calling Ramsport for!
 
Just a little note...the boat in the picture is hull #1, and future boats will have the aft overhang of the hardtop lengthened by 18" to 24". That should balance the bow heavy issue a little by putting more visually further aft.
 
Brad, yeah, there is a mariner facing my aft deck on the other side of the fariway. it does have nice safe sidedecks like this new 44 but all there is if a small bench at the bow. There used to be a 55ish cockpit aft cabin MY across my pier, also with a shortbow considering the size of the boat.

I guess it all comes down how you use your boat. We like to be out, not inside... so a large foredeck with large sunpad is important to us... Whenever we have friends on board, that's where they often hang out so i will sacrifice 10 sq ft of saloon space for the foredeck.

Visually, i think what a boat has to be balanced and if the house extends too far forward, the boat looks stubby and poorly proportioned and stuby. If you look at MOST Carver, that's the way they look. It doesn' take much... for instance hatteras has made a few boats (erarly 58MY for instance) with a slighly shorter foredeck and longer house, not much... couple of feet but the difference is huge.

Take the big Bayliners, now Meridian... even the now dated 45 something that they've been building since the mid 80s, it's not a bad looking boat, teh foredeck could use another couple of feet but it's pretty well balanced.

as i said, it's like a woman... too short a forehead, or too long a torso and you can see something isn't right! :-)

(probably going to get flamed in the WOF for that one :-)

Now, it perfectly ok not to care about how a boat looks like, not to be interested in spending time outside in the sun... it's the buyers' decision.

but I still think that such tall sidedecks, raised above the cabin on a 40 footer dont' make sense. visually and practically when you need to get off the boat. Lower side decks and an opening in the railing, amidship woudl be far more practical. Look in one of the picture how tall the decks are compared to the guy standing on the dock? It's a trade off you make on a large boat, not on a 40 footer.
 
To most people...44 foot IS a large boat. ANY 40+ footer makes my 27 look tiny....and it's big for a 27 footer.
 
quote:

Originally posted by RamSport47

...David...Why does it seem so odd that a service tech would not have pricing for a boat that is not even officially out yet?






I took "we" to mean RamSport47 the individual person stepping up from a 27 to a 40+ footer.

Apparantly "we" meant RamSport47 the Carver person whose shop has one on order for sale to the public.

My bad.
 
quote:

Originally posted by KiDa

quote:

Originally posted by RamSport47

...David...Why does it seem so odd that a service tech would not have pricing for a boat that is not even officially out yet?






I took "we" to mean RamSport47 the individual person stepping up from a 27 to a 40+ footer.

Apparantly "we" meant RamSport47 the Carver person whose shop has one on order for sale to the public.

My bad.








I wish it was the first "we" you spoke of. "We" are looking for a bigger boat, but not near that new and only to 31 feet. But still a Carver
 
Just wondering, Kenny, why did they invent a new nameplate "Sojourn" and not use the
well-established "Mariner" nameplate, which the boat is obviously styled to resemble???
 
Not particularily fond of the lines (applies pretty much to any late model boat since I am biased to the older more square lines) but I like the access to the bow from the bridge. Accessing the bow from a conventional sedan is much more of an issue when at the flybridge helm. I think it is a great compromise
 
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Originally posted by PBardunias

Just wondering, Kenny, why did they invent a new nameplate "Sojourn" and not use the
well-established "Mariner" nameplate, which the boat is obviously styled to resemble???






Can't figure that out myself, unless they're trying to move upscale? We'll see what they call the new 33 when it hits the market...it's a Mariner style boat as well.
 
I kinda like the look. In a way (a few drinks needed) it looks like a 65' Pershing & I love the Pershings.
 
The hardtop need to run the full length of the bridge... it looks stupid the way it is.
 
Why do these boats (Mariners and now this) continue to have steps on either side of the sliding glass door? Seems to me like a complete waste of space.

I know that Carver has been doing this for a long time with these boats and it seems well received, but I've always wondered why this is done. I've never been in one but have a couple at my marina and I've just wondered.
 
Personally, I think it's ugly, and I don't think I could ever learn to like it. Not my style of boat.
 
quote:

Originally posted by Committed

Why do these boats (Mariners and now this) continue to have steps on either side of the sliding glass door? Seems to me like a complete waste of space.

I know that Carver has been doing this for a long time with these boats and it seems well received, but I've always wondered why this is done. I've never been in one but have a couple at my marina and I've just wondered.






Most sedan style boats have stairways or steps up to both side decks. This has that too, with the exception that once you're on the side deck, you're also on the bridge.
 
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