New Coast Guard Fee

Originally posted by GeeBee

Well if you don't like the fee, why don't you state register it?

In NY even if your vessel is USCG documented it still needs to be state registered but you do not need to display the state numbers on the hull, only the sticker. This means that you now need to pay the state PLUS the documentation fee. One more way to stick it to the elite 1%.
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Thanks VS,

Florida is like NY.

I have seen some pretty good looking documentation ladies but never had to pay for one.

;-), ;-)
 
NJ is the same. So what happens if you don't pay the fee and lose the documentation. Who cares.
 
Originally posted by joebooa

NJ is the same. So what happens if you don't pay the fee and lose the documentation. Who cares.
Then you would just need to put your NJ registration numbers on. I would keep the last set of paperwork you got from the CG for when you want to sell the vessel.
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The fee is a cost offset which I completely agree with and has been in the works for at least 13 years I can track.

http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=USCG-2010-0990-2734

I disagree with the way it was promulgated, (I would expect no better from Homeland Security) but it completely above board and makes perfect sense.

I do find it odd that the same folks that scream bloody murder every April 15 and squawk at rising healthcare costs due to illegal immigrants don't raise a peep when an out of the blue cost shows up in their mailbox and the attitude is eff it....just pay it and get on with life. Interesting.

The cost BTW is a fee not a tax as alternatives are available to the consumer.
 
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Originally posted by Victorias Secret

Originally posted by GeeBee

Well if you don't like the fee, why don't you state register it?

In NY even if your vessel is USCG documented it still needs to be state registered but you do not need to display the state numbers on the hull, only the sticker. This means that you now need to pay the state PLUS the documentation fee. One more way to stick it to the elite 1%.

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But what if your boat is state registered in NY or FL, do you have to document it? NO. I suspect the reason why most of you document your vessels is because you finance them and your lender requires it. Which means you want me to subsidize your financing process.

"I do find it odd that the same folks that scream bloody murder every April 15 and squawk at rising healthcare costs due to illegal immigrants don't raise a peep when an out of the blue cost shows up in their mailbox and the attitude is eff it....just pay it and get on with life. Interesting."

It is entirely consistent. I don't want to subsidize illegal's health care, I don't want to subsidize anyone's healthcare other than my own and those genuinely disabled and unable to earn. I don't want to pay for anyone's frivolities. You want to climb Half Dome, be my guest but pay for the attendant costs. You want to study the mating habits of drunken snails? Use your own money.

You want to document your boat so you can finance it, that is your problem, and your cost not mine.
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Actually, my lender didn't care one way or the other.
 
Mine did not require it either, but I have documented my last 3 boats because it is harder to sell the vessel if it is stolen. Also why do they need to send out new documentation every year. Why not every 3 years like NYS does it? Just getting the paperwork every year is a PITA...
 
Ok, so it is a value retention deal, even more reason why. You are receiving value for documentation.
 
Interesting, I just renewed my documentation last Month and there was no fee, it must be new.
I wonder too why it must be done every year.
 
PITA? As I recall, you only had to sign the form and mail it back. You must have a very sensitive A. ;)

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Originally posted by Victorias Secret

Mine did not require it either, but I have documented my last 3 boats because it is harder to sell the vessel if it is stolen. Also why do they need to send out new documentation every year. Why not every 3 years like NYS does it? Just getting the paperwork every year is a PITA...

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Originally posted by HarlenW

PITA? As I recall, you only had to sign the form and mail it back. You must have a very sensitive A. ;)

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Originally posted by Victorias Secret

Mine did not require it either, but I have documented my last 3 boats because it is harder to sell the vessel if it is stolen. Also why do they need to send out new documentation every year. Why not every 3 years like NYS does it? Just getting the paperwork every year is a PITA...

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Why generate the paperwork every year? And then have people sign it and mail it back every year. I am sure every 2 or 3 years would be fine, and would also save the CG millions in processing/mailing costs.
 
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Originally posted by KiDa

The fee is a cost offset which I completely agree with and has been in the works for at least 13 years I can track.

http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=USCG-2010-0990-2734

I disagree with the way it was promulgated, (I would expect no better from Homeland Security) but it completely above board and makes perfect sense.

The cost BTW is a fee not a tax as alternatives are available to the consumer.

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Let's face it, it's a tax by any other name! If it costs the CG $26 to process a piece of paper, then we're all in the wrong business! Every year to get a pretty piece of paper is just nuts. My passport is good for 10! Besides, you can be guaranteed its not a guardsman who actually processes your paper but either an outside contractor or a gov employee way above a guardsman's pay grade.
 
How much does a 10 year passport cost?........amortized per year over 10 years?........yeah.

It is a tax. It should be that way. If you use the system you pay....just like aviation.
 
Actually I am surprised that no one has mentioned this:

Now that we're all on the hook for the $26, how long will it take before it becomes $52, $100, or $250 ?

Its tax creep.

Never stable, never goes down !

consistently increasing taxes everywhere bill, e, from all sides.

Just take a look at the detail on your electric, cellphone or cable bill. How about the detail on your property tax bill.

RWS
 
Sure it might, when the collection is beyond the costs, you call your Congressman. That is how it works.
 
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Originally posted by bletso

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Originally posted by KiDa

The fee is a cost offset which I completely agree with and has been in the works for at least 13 years I can track.

http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=USCG-2010-0990-2734

I disagree with the way it was promulgated, (I would expect no better from Homeland Security) but it completely above board and makes perfect sense.

The cost BTW is a fee not a tax as alternatives are available to the consumer.

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Let's face it, it's a tax by any other name! If it costs the CG $26 to process a piece of paper, then we're all in the wrong business! Every year to get a pretty piece of paper is just nuts. My passport is good for 10! Besides, you can be guaranteed its not a guardsman who actually processes your paper but either an outside contractor or a gov employee way above a guardsman's pay grade.

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Except when I've had to phone a friend for unique or unrelated questions, I've never once dealt with an active duty person at NMC. I know they exist, but I suspect the bulk of everything, as you said, is done by contractors.
 
Even GA has a company out of Maryland handle boat registration. Seems logical.
 
It's a title. Why does it need to be renewed and a new certificate issued if ownership has not changed? No other kind of title from DMV expires. They can eliminate all the processing, printing, mailing by not having them expire. That would be a real cost savings. Charge for initial documentation or to send a replacement certificate or for an abstract.
 
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