Overnight on the hook: Security?

In California a CCW is required for concealed carry. To qualify for a CCW you need to meet the personal requirements, take a course and come up with a couple of hundred dollars. CCWs are issued at the county level by the sheriff or police chief. In practice, far less than 1% of CA CCW applicants are actually issued a permit.

The are no specific provisions in CA law regarding guns on boats. Technically, it OK to have a gun on a boat as long as it is unloaded and in plain view. Even better if it is unloaded and stored in a locked hard box.

In CA, you can carry a weapon in a vehicle without a permit. It must unloaded and locked in the trunk. Unloaded, locked in a hard box and kept in the trunk is OK too. To legally move the weapon from car to boat: it should be carried unloaded in a locked hard box. A portable hard lock box is your friend.

I don't have any plans or wish to ever use a weapon in self defense. I agree with oceanspray that a weapon is not a warning device. If anyone finds my weapon pointed at them, there is a good chance that it's the last thing they will ever see.
 
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Have you thought about looking into the flare gun that also can shoot center fire ammo. Technically it's a flare gun and should meet your states rules for that. But, of course you would have to see if there are any rules for loose ammo on the vessel.
 
do those state laws apply to boats that are second homes under IRS rules????
 
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Where are these dangerous places you guys are so concerned about protecting yourselves from? I know if a boater was murdered or burgled while on his boat it would make it on to this board for the usual autopsy. I can't recall a single incident. Some Ro's here seem scarier than the bad guys out there.
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Charlie, why do think we boaters are relatively safer on the water than our landlubber counterparts, good manners and proper etiquette? Those are great traits to have, but offer little in the way of crime deterrance. :D
 
Sorry about that. I meant to say that guns offer safety as a crime deterrant, as opposed to counting on everyone to simply behave themselves. Some people are real good at making points using humor; I guess I'm not one of them. ;)
 
I have friends who, while sleeping on their boat in their slip, had someone approach from the water to try to untie/steal their PWC. Dog growled, husband went outside with .45 in his hand, wife hollared "don't shoot them honey!". Bad guys took off like lightening!!!! Happy ending.
 
Ocean Spray says : "Guns kill people, thats all they do"

There must be something wrong with mine ... I have a gun safe full that have never killed anybody .. they have, however, provided me with hours of enjoyment on the range target shooting, skeet shooting, and in the field Pheasent hunting. They have also provided a measure of security in my home, boat and car, against anyone who would try ane enter without invitation, but "kill people" ... hasn't happened!!!
 
Why do you guys even respond to these type post? Every few months they show up, the "gun haters" on one side, the "I have a big gun guys on the other". I dare say that very few of the RO's here have ever seen someone that died as a result of a violent gunshot, must less been the guy who pulled the trigger. As Paul said "Let it be".
 
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Why do you guys even respond to these type post? Every few months they show up, the "gun haters" on one side, the "I have a big gun guys on the other". I dare say that very few of the RO's here have ever seen someone that died as a result of a violent gunshot, must less been the guy who pulled the trigger. As Paul said "Let it be".

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I am not a gun hater...a good sport for those that participate in it. I am bemused as to why anyone would live somewhere where they feel a need to have a firarm for protection...and also who would actually have the intestinal fortitude to use one to kill another person...big thing to live with after having taken another person's life I would imagine.
 
I'm not in the gun hater group either. I just asked where all these dangerous waterways were in the US that so many seem to carry serious firepower to enjoy a night on the boat.
 
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who would actually have the intestinal fortitude to use one to kill another person...big thing to live with after having taken another person's life I would imagine.

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Given that you were unfortunate enough to face off a violent intruder, who would you rather have suffer the post traumatic stress after killing someone? You, or the intruder?
 
I'm a pilot, never had need for a parachute, but when I do aerobatics do I wear one? Yes. There is a "crash axe" in the cockpit of my Boeing. Never had the use for one, but do I carry it? Yes. I have flares that exceed the CG requirements aboard my boat. Never had the use for one but do I carry them? Yes. I have PFDs aboard my boat and in fact I wear them boating. Never had to use one. A gun is no different than a parachute, a crash axe, a PFD or any other personal safety device and like all the above if you do need one, you need a damn good one, you need it RFN and it had better be a good one.

So all you people saying, "I never had the use for one" must equally believe you will never need any of the other safety equipment on your boat. Is that what you are telling me?
 
I've never seen "firearm" on a boating safety equipment list. Like I said, if there were a large number of incidents in our nations waterways, it would have been on this board about 2 seconds after it happened. I don't think most people carry guns when they go in the 7/11 but you'd need it there more than you'd need it on the boat. I don't care if you carry your gun everywhere. I just don't carry mine everywhere.
 
Greg, You been skip breathing at high altitude? There is a hell of alot of difference between donning a PFD, shooting off a flare, hacking your way out of a downed aircraft and sending someones brain's on a ride out the back of their skull.
 
I've had state permit to carry concealed for over 60 years. I seldom have the need to carry now, but still do on occasion as the need arises.
As a civilain I've never killed anyone, but if the need did arise it certainly wouldn't be a big decision for me to make.
The reason being, I'll never pull out a gun to shoot another person unless I truly believe that my life, or the life of a loved one, is in eminent danger.
Anyone who believes that dialing 911 is always the safest thing to do is an fool.
 
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I'm a pilot, never had need for a parachute, but when I do aerobatics do I wear one? Yes. There is a "crash axe" in the cockpit of my Boeing. Never had the use for one, but do I carry it? Yes. I have flares that exceed the CG requirements aboard my boat. Never had the use for one but do I carry them? Yes. I have PFDs aboard my boat and in fact I wear them boating. Never had to use one. A gun is no different than a parachute, a crash axe, a PFD or any other personal safety device and like all the above if you do need one, you need a damn good one, you need it RFN and it had better be a good one.

So all you people saying, "I never had the use for one" must equally believe you will never need any of the other safety equipment on your boat. Is that what you are telling me?

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sure is what I am telling you..I have absolutely no need for any firearm at all. I have not heard of anyone trying to board any boat when at anchor in the 38 years I have been on the waterways.
 
That's the great thing about our country. Different strokes for different folks, and no one trying to tell the other guy he can't do what he wants to do.
Well, at least they aren't always trying to pass laws that say the other guy can't do what he wants to do, are they?
Well, at least most people still believe in live and let live, don't they?
Aw h*ll, forget about it, it's hopeless.
 
I suppose if you lived where burglars,creeps and thugs were known to be out prowling the waterways looking for victims, if you lived where piracy were a daily danger, if the verifiable risks of not having a gun at the ready exceeded the risks of shooting somebody inadvertantly, getting in trouble during a CG-boarding or even having the thing stolen while you were out for dinner, for that matter, there might be a reasonable case for 'packing.' As it is, I'm among those who'd like to see the maritime crime statistics. Heck, I'll even settle for anecdotes. Have any of y'all EVER actually, personally, had to even threaten anybody else with a gun while boating in domestic waters? Or are we campers telling each other scary make-believe stories around the campfire? An' the goblins'll git YOU ef you don't watch out!

Y'all sure make me glad to live in a small, friendly town in a part of the world where I don't even have to lock my front door, much less stow a gun under my pillow at night.
 
For that matter, GeeBee, I'm curious- are you one of those pistol-packin'pilots? (If so, excellent! There's EVIDENCE that would have been helpful about six years ago, and I for one, would feel much safer knowing the pilots -or flight attendants- on a commercial flight were prepared and trained to instantly disable a potential hijacker.)
 
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