Overnight on the hook: Security?

I don't comment on the security procedures for obvious reasons.
 
well, ive sat here and read this thread and dont know what to think of it.....or some of the people who posted..
lets see....ive heard, "never had a need", "havent heard of a need", "cant believe you feel the need", etc.....
well, for those of you who feel that way, and have never had an onboard fire, why dont you lock your extinquishers up at home next time you go out......for those of you who have never fallen overboard, why dont you leave your pfd's at home next time.....heres one for ya.......all of you who are carrying epirbs onboard, and have never had a use for it.....chuck em out, ya dont need em....

as far as the guy who wouldnt want to feel the guilt of killing someone for the rest of his life....are you just going to bend over backwards and let someone do as they please to you and your family ??
i for one find that to be a pansy ass statement, sorry if thats personal, so be it......
your damn right ide feel bad for about 30 seconds after ventilating someones brains if they were a serious threat to me or my family....wouldnt think twice about it after that....
what would cause me guilt would be if something fatal happened to a family member and i wasnt prepared like i should have been....
it has nothing to do with being paranoid, or not being able to relax out on the water......i for one find it relaxing to know i can defend me and mine should the need arise.......it has nothing to do with a macho ******* outlook, or a fanatic grasping of the constitution.....it has to do with personal safety, and a respect for good wholesome human life over that of a scumbag....
since when do the cheats/thiefs/rapists/etc... get to go to bed at night thinking they have nothing to worry about when they go on the next prowl.....if you ask me...those are the scumbags that should walk out their front doors in a cold sweat wondering if tonight will be the night they die !
we are a society of checks and balances...thats how the whole system was set up to work......but when you take away the checks(guns) from the good people(or they decide not to arm themselves for whatever reason)....then you shift the balance out of tune and the bad guys now have the upperhand....
if you ask me, every law abbiding person in this country should take it upon themselves to carry arms......then and only then will the balance begin to reestablish itself......and dont even think that that an already overworked police force is the answer
thats my .02 cents worth for tonight on that.

edit: there are those of you who wont even leave the dock without twin engines and a kicker.....and you dare scoff at someone for taking a measure to protect themselves........thats ok i reckon....give it 20 more years and the democrates will have everyone wrapped up in nice tidy coccoons, breastfeeding the nation of pansies were turning into
 
for those of you with marine shotguns (myself included) let me suggest that you saw off the stock just behind the hand grip....and remove the extra 4 inches they come from the factory with on the barrell.....(law is 14" here in NC, maybe 141/2, cant remember right now).....that will shorten the gun about a foot and a half, and will make it much easier to stow, not to mention much easier to handle in tight quarters......the drawback, is that you will be "shooting from the hip" so to say with no stock, and she will have a bit more kick then before !, not to mention a wider spread on the shot pattern....good for small groups, everyone gets a taste.......simple bird shot is just fine for close quarters, gives you a wider path of shot, and wont tear up the boat so bad if you miss ! course, anything out of a shot gun at less then 10 feet is just going to blast a big hole anyway. if your a good shot and steady of hand....go for the slugs....a nice low power "soft" home defense round is fine there.......no need for high dollar "fancy" rounds....keep it simple

they do make an insert that fits into your average garden variety flare gun (12ga and 25mm) that will allow it to accept a 38 caliber round....only one shot, but if your smart thats all you would need anyway.....a good way to make use of something already on board....and not have a "firearm" in the wrong waters

last, but not lest......if anyone, anywhere, for any reason, needs to shot someone, then by all means, shoot to kill....do not think your doing anyone a favor by shooting in leg or arm, etc....heres why.....

if the dead scumbags family decides to sue you....thats IF, they may realise he is a scumbag and let it go.....you have a much better chance in court defending yourself against them.

if you shot to maim.....even if you were 100% in the right, there is a good chance some POS lawyer will drag the scumbag into court and sue the living **** out of you.....and you will (in todays society of sue happy lawyers) most likely in the least be responsible for medical bills and lost work, if the scumbag even has a job. anyway....dont take my word for that....go ask a lawyer
 
I've actually seen people fall overboard, I've heard first-hand accounts of engine fires, I've been involved in searches where it would have been lovely if the lost soul had had an epirb. But hanging out with boaters for a lot of decades, I've never heard a single first-hand account of anybody having to pull a gun on anybody while boating. (Good thing, too, considering how much some folk drink- with predictable effects on self-control,judgment, and presumably, aim.)

There are precautions that make sense, there are dangers that are real and demonstrable, and then, there are bogeymen that excitable people simply imagine. "Well, it COULD happen." Yeah, but HAS it? EVER? TV cop shows don't count. I'm willing to consider stowing a gun aboard, but it's a fair amount of trouble and expense to be sure it's legal. So, before I do that, I want to know what the record shows, and so far what I'm mostly seeing is blowhard belligerance.

So? Does sleeping with a gun while boating make sense or does it just make some people feel braver? I don't live in a place where I'm afraid of the neighbors, and I'd like to think boaters are decent folk, too.
 
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Originally posted by SlowButFast

well, ive sat here and read this thread and dont know what to think of it.....or some of the people who posted..
lets see....ive heard, "never had a need", "havent heard of a need", "cant believe you feel the need", etc.....
well, for those of you who feel that way, and have never had an onboard fire, why dont you lock your extinquishers up at home next time you go out......for those of you who have never fallen overboard, why dont you leave your pfd's at home next time.....heres one for ya.......all of you who are carrying epirbs onboard, and have never had a use for it.....chuck em out, ya dont need em....

as far as the guy who wouldnt want to feel the guilt of killing someone for the rest of his life....are you just going to bend over backwards and let someone do as they please to you and your family ??
i for one find that to be a pansy ass statement, sorry if thats personal, so be it......
your damn right ide feel bad for about 30 seconds after ventilating someones brains if they were a serious threat to me or my family....wouldnt think twice about it after that....
what would cause me guilt would be if something fatal happened to a family member and i wasnt prepared like i should have been....
it has nothing to do with being paranoid, or not being able to relax out on the water......i for one find it relaxing to know i can defend me and mine should the need arise.......it has nothing to do with a macho ******* outlook, or a fanatic grasping of the constitution.....it has to do with personal safety, and a respect for good wholesome human life over that of a scumbag....
since when do the cheats/thiefs/rapists/etc... get to go to bed at night thinking they have nothing to worry about when they go on the next prowl.....if you ask me...those are the scumbags that should walk out their front doors in a cold sweat wondering if tonight will be the night they die !
we are a society of checks and balances...thats how the whole system was set up to work......but when you take away the checks(guns) from the good people(or they decide not to arm themselves for whatever reason)....then you shift the balance out of tune and the bad guys now have the upperhand....
if you ask me, every law abbiding person in this country should take it upon themselves to carry arms......then and only then will the balance begin to reestablish itself......and dont even think that that an already overworked police force is the answer
thats my .02 cents worth for tonight on that.

edit: there are those of you who wont even leave the dock without twin engines and a kicker.....and you dare scoff at someone for taking a measure to protect themselves........thats ok i reckon....give it 20 more years and the democrates will have everyone wrapped up in nice tidy coccoons, breastfeeding the nation of pansies were turning into

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You just don't get it...what does a pfd have to do with carrying a gun..is that a feeble justification for carrying a weapon?

It seems to be that oyu want every law abiding person to carry a weapon...I call that living in fear on your part. Probably equates to the old saying that if you need to carry a gun it is because you feel inferior in a certain part of your anatomy.

Now you have your pathetic rant out of the way and if you feel the need to call me or anyone else a pansy ass..I can live with that but try a bit of comprehension of what I said previously....there is very little chance of it happening where I live..do you understand that? no chance..it has never happened and I would be very surprised if it ever did...but then I don't live in fear of instances like that occurring. You obviously live in a different area where you fear for your life and possessions..personally I would relocate rather than live in that environment.
Your talk of ventilating someone and the whole population being armed reeks of something out of a Clint Eastwood spaghetti western...I doubt you would have the balls to do anything other than freeze in fear if the situation did arise and hopefully it doesn't.
 
Slobutfast, you're the best argument so far for keeping a gun on board. I'm convinced.
 
I remember a story where 3 people took an elderly couple out to sea to buy the couples boat, and tied the couple to an anchor and dropped them overboard.

As others have said, a firearm is a tool. A hammer is a tool. A falre gun is a tool. They are designed for different purposes. Some of these tools are for far more serious purposes than others, with longer reaching ramifications, but are tools nonetheless.

I personally have no fear while out at anchor. Much more concerned when at dock. Think about it, you are out at anchor, so a thief or assailant needs a boa tto get to you, and has to hope he has picked a good taret. Makes little sense.
 
Maybe I should amend my request for information: How about we add the proviso that having a gun stowed aboard would have actually improved the outcome of the situation.
 
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Originally posted by millsan1

I remember a story where 3 people took an elderly couple out to sea to buy the couples boat, and tied the couple to an anchor and dropped them overboard.
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That's the Thomas and Jackie Hawks story, the first story I linked above. Who knows? A gun on board couldn't have made this outcome any worse.
 
think whatever you need to sleep good tonight...
your the one who doesnt get it !
i dont live in fear, i dont need a gun to make me braver, i CHOOSE to have one because i simply believe in being prepared for whatever comes my way. there is no paranoia, there are no inadequacies.....i am a free american who has made a choice to take the first step in self protection.....i didnt do it to piss you off, i didnt do it because of any shortcomings....i did it because im a free american, and i decided to exercise my right under the constitution to take measures to protect myself.....

oohh, and just for the record, i stand 6'4, i dress out at over 300 pounds, and im only carrying 18% body fat. i dont need much of anything to feel safe wherever im at....but to answer your question about where i live, i dont live in that bad of an area......and if you live in a utopian paradise, then by all means stay there.....you may not be suitable for the real world. i dint jump on this thread to change anyones mind....i just stated my outlook on a couple things...this is still a free America isnt it ?...or would those like you wish to put those like me behind a wall so we dont taint utopia with our anarchist outlooks ??

here is the last point i will make....and im going to be an ass about it and get personal, because sometimes thats whats needed to open peoples eyes about things....

your on the hook in a nice quiet cove somewhere...its around 3am and all is well until something wakes you in the dark....its the sound of 3 drunk hillbillys (lets imagine the movie deliverance) you stand up and do what ??...yell at them ?.....grab a bat ??...grab the cell phone ??....i dunno , you tell me what you would do.....
now lets go really dark on this....they decide that since you pissed them off by grabing a bat...or trying to call the cops, you get the pleasure of sitting there tied up while they rape and sodemise your wife and daughter, forcing you to watch.
now, letsw say instead of the bat, or the phone, you had a 357 magnum in your hand, and werent afraid to use it....now you have a fighting chance ! now, when the smoke clears and all is over, your family can go home intact and glad you had the fortitude to protect them.
how do you think that trip home would be had you not had the gun ?
dont get me wrong, im not wishing that situation on anyone, and granted, thats a worst case scenario at best.....but it could happen, why not be prepared ?......you carry an epirb for just that reason....its probably never going to happen.....but what if it does, dont you want to be properly prepared for any and all situations ?
like i said before....there is no fear or paranoia here, im just a simple man who has taken the measures to protect myself and my family wherever we happen to be, if i dont take the measures to protect them at all costs, then what good am i to them ??......we can all sit back and say that it will probably never happen....and it probably wont.....but what if it does ? wouldnt you like to go to bed at night knowing that you have the ability to protect those that you love the most, no matter the guilt you may feel for what you may have to do....do you really think your loved ones care to hear that you didnt want to feel guilty about dispatching someone who was going to cause them bodily harm or cruel torment ? i dunno, i can see we are cut from two different molds on this subject, i do whole heartedly wish you and yours the best of times and never any wrong doing.....i for one will be the worst nightmare of the scumbag who decides to violate me and mine.
oohh, and for the paranoia crowd out there, this was my phylosophy and out look long before 911 ever happened, you can in fact call it a life long outlook, born and raised that way,i didnt adopt it after those unfortunate events. have owned my own guns since the age of 9....yea,you heard me right 9. and ive never had to shot anyone, i have had once the need to brandish, but that was enough thank God.

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Originally posted by boatjockey

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Originally posted by SlowButFast

well, ive sat here and read this thread and dont know what to think of it.....or some of the people who posted..
lets see....ive heard, "never had a need", "havent heard of a need", "cant believe you feel the need", etc.....
well, for those of you who feel that way, and have never had an onboard fire, why dont you lock your extinquishers up at home next time you go out......for those of you who have never fallen overboard, why dont you leave your pfd's at home next time.....heres one for ya.......all of you who are carrying epirbs onboard, and have never had a use for it.....chuck em out, ya dont need em....

as far as the guy who wouldnt want to feel the guilt of killing someone for the rest of his life....are you just going to bend over backwards and let someone do as they please to you and your family ??
i for one find that to be a pansy ass statement, sorry if thats personal, so be it......
your damn right ide feel bad for about 30 seconds after ventilating someones brains if they were a serious threat to me or my family....wouldnt think twice about it after that....
what would cause me guilt would be if something fatal happened to a family member and i wasnt prepared like i should have been....
it has nothing to do with being paranoid, or not being able to relax out on the water......i for one find it relaxing to know i can defend me and mine should the need arise.......it has nothing to do with a macho ******* outlook, or a fanatic grasping of the constitution.....it has to do with personal safety, and a respect for good wholesome human life over that of a scumbag....
since when do the cheats/thiefs/rapists/etc... get to go to bed at night thinking they have nothing to worry about when they go on the next prowl.....if you ask me...those are the scumbags that should walk out their front doors in a cold sweat wondering if tonight will be the night they die !
we are a society of checks and balances...thats how the whole system was set up to work......but when you take away the checks(guns) from the good people(or they decide not to arm themselves for whatever reason)....then you shift the balance out of tune and the bad guys now have the upperhand....
if you ask me, every law abbiding person in this country should take it upon themselves to carry arms......then and only then will the balance begin to reestablish itself......and dont even think that that an already overworked police force is the answer
thats my .02 cents worth for tonight on that.

edit: there are those of you who wont even leave the dock without twin engines and a kicker.....and you dare scoff at someone for taking a measure to protect themselves........thats ok i reckon....give it 20 more years and the democrates will have everyone wrapped up in nice tidy coccoons, breastfeeding the nation of pansies were turning into

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You just don't get it...what does a pfd have to do with carrying a gun..is that a feeble justification for carrying a weapon?

It seems to be that oyu want every law abiding person to carry a weapon...I call that living in fear on your part. Probably equates to the old saying that if you need to carry a gun it is because you feel inferior in a certain part of your anatomy.

Now you have your pathetic rant out of the way and if you feel the need to call me or anyone else a pansy ass..I can live with that but try a bit of comprehension of what I said previously....there is very little chance of it happening where I live..do you understand that? no chance..it has never happened and I would be very surprised if it ever did...but then I don't live in fear of instances like that occurring. You obviously live in a different area where you fear for your life and possessions..personally I would relocate rather than live in that environment.
Your talk of ventilating someone and the whole population being armed reeks of something out of a Clint Eastwood spaghetti western...I doubt you would have the balls to do anything other than freeze in fear if the situation did arise and hopefully it doesn't.

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I live up in Canada, and travel to the US routinely, love the country and the people I meet. We've traveled pretty far in your country and have never run into a nasty situation, always behave pretty well the way we would here at home in Vancouver.

But this gun thing really is different. I don't see it in practice, of course, and I never really think about the fact that when I'm walking along a street in the US, a certain percentage of people will actually carry a gun and be prepared to use it for God knows what infraction. It just has surprised me to see how often it comes up on this board, where the posters are boaters, who frankly I view as compadres.

But if you saw a guy at a dock here in Canada anywhere with a gun on his boat, it would just be really weird...

All the best, though,

Orcbait
 
Interesting, as I know two Canadian boaters from New Brunswick that carry firearms on their vessels all the time.
But then again, there probably just concerned that they could possibly run into some American boaters out there on the water.
 
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Originally posted by Orcbait

I live up in Canada, and travel to the US routinely, love the country and the people I meet. We've traveled pretty far in your country and have never run into a nasty situation, always behave pretty well the way we would here at home in Vancouver.

But this gun thing really is different. I don't see it in practice, of course, and I never really think about the fact that when I'm walking along a street in the US, a certain percentage of people will actually carry a gun and be prepared to use it for God knows what infraction. It just has surprised me to see how often it comes up on this board, where the posters are boaters, who frankly I view as compadres.

But if you saw a guy at a dock here in Canada anywhere with a gun on his boat, it would just be really weird...

All the best, though,

Orcbait

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i imagine there are more guns around you (even in canada) then you suspect.
i admit that here in the states we have a different outlook then most of the rest of the world.....thats what makes us Americans, thats why we are the country that we are.
it just dumbfounds me when the negative outlook on exercising my rights in this country comes from fellow Americans ! but then again, thats what makes us who we are. we have that right, and the freedom to choose sides and voice our opinions.
 
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Originally posted by Orcbait

I live up in Canada, and travel to the US routinely, love the country and the people I meet... But this gun thing really is different. I don't see it in practice, of course, and I never really think about the fact that when I'm walking along a street in the US, a certain percentage of people will actually carry a gun and be prepared to use it for God knows what infraction.
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The percentage of American citizens with a permit for concealed carry is extremely small: less than 1%. Probably smaller than the percentage of Canadians who bludgeon baby harp seals.

I suspect that virtually all Americans that have a CCW are law enforcement or security professionals or citizens who have received validated death threats.
 
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Originally posted by yzer

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Originally posted by Orcbait

I live up in Canada, and travel to the US routinely, love the country and the people I meet... But this gun thing really is different. I don't see it in practice, of course, and I never really think about the fact that when I'm walking along a street in the US, a certain percentage of people will actually carry a gun and be prepared to use it for God knows what infraction.
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The percentage of American citizens with a permit for concealed carry is extremely small: less than 1%. Probably smaller than the percentage of Canadians who bludgeon baby harp seals.

I suspect that virtually all Americans that have a CCW are law enforcement or security professionals or citizens who have received validated death threats.

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Nothing could be further from the truth.
 
Many of the folks that I know here in Ga have a CCP ... and are not law enforcement nor have they had their life threatened, they feel as I do that I have the right and responsibility to protect myself and my family. I have never had the need, but I have had my house broken into, and a boat stolen from my driveway, we were not home either time. For those of you who say "I'll never have a gun in the house", just ask yourself what you will do if someone does break in and threaten your family?? Remember it is your choice if you use the gun or not, but if you don't have it you have no choice.
 
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