PBM/HM/SPBM/MYC/Bowline

Really, a white fender is now an approved marker for a hazard? Do you know where the wall begins and ends? How are you going to let boaters who don't read this forum know which side it is safe to pass on?

Putting a line of red and green buoys (that are actually noted on nautical charts) is a HELL of a lot different than an individual dropping a white fender somewhere near a hazard.

If you want to chance it, and perhaps ruin someone's boat because they don't know what a fender in the middle of an apparently wide open channel means, then it's on you.

BTW, the fender has been there all season, in spite of it - or maybe because of it - I have seen at least four boats hit the wall.
 
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Like I suggested, why don't you ask your insurance company what they think of you marking a channel.

Get back to us with their answer.

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I am marking a hazard, not a channel. I said keep the fender to starboard on the way in and to port on the way out. If you hit the pile you are on the wrong side of the fender.I have seen sailboats aground in Mineceongo's channel at low tide. Have they been sued for the Sea Tow bill sucessfully because they put the buoys out? Being next door you must pick up lots of cases.

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I'll take your directions to the T while entering and exiting, but god forbid I hit something while useing your instructions, I'll let the court decide.
 
Being next door you must pick up lots of cases.
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I always knew Hogan was an ambulance chaser. Is that why you have your cards taped to the white bouey?
 
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Originally posted by HOGAN

Really, a white fender is now an approved marker for a hazard? Do you know where the wall begins and ends? How are you going to let boaters who don't read this forum know which side it is safe to pass on?

Putting a line of red and green buoys (that are actually noted on nautical charts) is a HELL of a lot different than an individual dropping a white fender somewhere near a hazard.

If you want to chance it, and perhaps ruin someone's boat because they don't know what a fender in the middle of an apparently wide open channel means, then it's on you.

BTW, the fender has been there all season, in spite of it - or maybe because of it - I have seen at least four boats hit the wall.

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Mike don't you know a white fender is a hazard marker ???????
 
my friend was coming to visit me in the pond and came in for the first time while a bunch of us were rafting, got a message from his wife on my cell telling me they were on their way. I tried calling them back but his wife would not pick up the phone, as they approach the entrance they notice the white fender floating so his wife said stay away and he said no problems, it is nothing! well guess what? thank god they were coming in slow and didn't had too much damage.
 
Chances are he would have hit anyway since he was coming down the middle. (As any boater would) The real answer here is for people to put pressure on the proper authorities (I do not know who that is) to properly and permantly mark the entrance. Nobody wants Bowline overcrowded but it is so unfair to boaters damaging their boats all summer long. Your in deep water in the middle of the entrance and wham. Summer over....or worse
 
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my friend was coming to visit me in the pond and came in for the first time while a bunch of us were rafting, got a message from his wife on my cell telling me they were on their way. I tried calling them back but his wife would not pick up the phone, as they approach the entrance they notice the white fender floating so his wife said stay away and he said no problems, it is nothing! well guess what? thank god they were coming in slow and didn't had too much damage.

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It would have prudent for your friend to call you and ask what the marker is for as he stopped and waited for your answer since he has never been in there. You are responsible to keep your boat out of trouble, no one else. There have been places I didn't go because I didn't know what's under the water. It's called having local knowledge.
 
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It would have prudent for your friend to call you and ask what the marker is for as he stopped and waited for your answer since he has never been in there. You are responsible to keep your boat out of trouble, no one else. There have been places I didn't go because I didn't know what's under the water.
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Yes and no. There is no dispute you are responsible for your own boat. Nobody knows whats under them at all times. We all make assumptions. Some good, some not so good. However, I do think we all believe that Bowline is a big sucker trap. Wide opening, no hazard markers and big boats all anchored inside. Obviously many people make this mistake. The question is...what if anything should be done about it?
 
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It would have prudent for your friend to call you and ask what the marker is for as he stopped and waited for your answer since he has never been in there. You are responsible to keep your boat out of trouble, no one else. There have been places I didn't go because I didn't know what's under the water.
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Yes and no. There is no dispute you are responsible for your own boat. Nobody knows whats under them at all times. We all make assumptions. Some good, some not so good. However, I do think we all believe that Bowline is a big sucker trap. Wide opening, no hazard markers and big boats all anchored inside. Obviously many people make this mistake. The question is...what if anything should be done about it?
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We don't make a mistake in there because we have local knowledge of the hazard. The people who do haven't been in there before. If you stay in the marked shipping channel you are OK. Outside of it you are on your own. If the power plant or the town of haverstraw put buoys in the pond marking the pile Hogan would sue them whenever someone hit it. As he said they would be liable.
 
Its been that way for years, I don't think anything will be done to mark the opening. Like Ken said its local knowledge.
 
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Originally posted by Delivering Happiness

my friend was coming to visit me in the pond and came in for the first time while a bunch of us were rafting, got a message from his wife on my cell telling me they were on their way. I tried calling them back but his wife would not pick up the phone, as they approach the entrance they notice the white fender floating so his wife said stay away and he said no problems, it is nothing! well guess what? thank god they were coming in slow and didn't had too much damage.

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It would have prudent for your friend to call you and ask what the marker is for as he stopped and waited for your answer since he has never been in there. You are responsible to keep your boat out of trouble, no one else. There have been places I didn't go because I didn't know what's under the water. It's called having local knowledge.

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I agree, in previous conversations I warned both him and his wife to stay to the left and only go in the first time with escort, just like Dave and Bill did for me for the first time. my friend and his wife decided to change their Croton rooting and come to Bowline but didn't pick up the phone when I tried to warn them. when we saw them coming my self and Bill tried to get Bill's Dinghy and run to warn them but it was just a little too late.
 
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Originally posted by winters remedy

Its been that way for years, I don't think anything will be done to mark the opening. Like Ken said its local knowledge.

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That's what we all have said but do we know if anyone has actually contacted Powerplant, Town of Haverstarw and Coast Guard to formally ask or are we all assuming? Seems to me if they all are informed of such a dangerous situation and choose to do nothing about it, then they should be held liable. If now one has ever made the request, they can feign ignorance.
 
Pay Hogan a retainer and he will sue. Someone should wreck their boat on the pile so there is a good case. Local knowledge always saves the day!!
 
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Originally posted by pocket change

Pay Hogan a retainer and he will sue. Someone should wreck their boat on the pile so there is a good case. Local knowledge always saves the day!!

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If I was as "sue happy" as you think I am, I would be telling you to put the fender there. I'm more concerned about safety.

Hank, it is not a "navigable" body of water. The power plant is not going to put a buoy in, they don't want the liability.

It's been good just like it is for years, let's just leave it alone...
 
Yes they did got stuck and there was damage. They were able to reverse out though. I do think it ahould be marked, maybe at night with the dinks and never claim we did it. :-) there aren't so many boaters on the river so I dont think the pond will get too busy. The only time its full is during the fire works!
 
If you Haverstraw guys would learn how to navigate in water less than 18', this wouldn't be an issue.
 
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