Overnight on the hook: Security?

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Originally posted by yzer

Originally posted by Orcbait

I suspect that virtually all Americans that have a CCW are law enforcement or security professionals or citizens who have received validated death threats.
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You're wrong. Both my wife and I have CCW's and we're none of those, but we DO believe in our constitutional right to possess and bear arms.
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WOW! Such controversy about guns! You would think we are reading from the NRA web site! For those of you that are pro gun, pro gun on boats, pro guns for your "American right of passage" or what ever reason, dont get me wrong. I am not against guns in any way, personally I think they are for people that feel the need to feel protected by a peice of steel that kills. If thats you, so be it.

My only point was that I see know reason to carry one on board a pleasure vessel (boat). Period. Either way you look at this, if you are attacked on your boat and you shot and kill someone, you will be traumitized for the rest of your life for taking a life, be it scumbag or not, a life is a life.

ANd yes, guns are designed to kill what ever or whom ever you are pointing at, arent they? The mere fact that the slowbutfast caracter brandished a weapon tells me that you should not be carring one in the first place. But not to offend a gun toating American, that has his god given right to bear arms, I dont think the fathers of our copuntry had any idea what that law would turn in to, after all, back in them days didnt they have muskets? They did not have the ak-47 or the 9 mil. glock semi automatic did they? just something to think about......................
 
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Originally posted by Ocean Spray

My only point was that I see know reason to carry one on board a pleasure vessel (boat). Period. Either way you look at this, if you are attacked on your boat and you shot and kill someone, you will be traumitized for the rest of your life for taking a life, be it scumbag or not, a life is a life.

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Wrong. Most definitely wouldn't be traumatized for even a second.
If it comes down to my life or his I'll be more than happy to accommodate him.
And most ex GIs will tell you the same.
 
Yes, Psalzer is correct. I also have a CCP from the state of Georgia.

Look if you don't want to carry a weapon, if you would be sooner dead than "traumatized for life", if you worry about shooting a hole in your boat, if you worry about "permits" (whatever that is) fine by me, don't carry one. I could care less. Hells bells it makes no difference to me. Just don't infringe or criticize MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to carry a firearm and I will continue to defend with word and force of arms YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO FREELY SPEAK because quite frankly, you don't have SQUAT to defend anything other than with your mouth and your pearly whites have a fairly insignifigaant ballistic force.
 
my favorite home protection is a Mossberg Mariner, sawn off, with patchmeyer pistol grip.
you can swing it in really small areas.
 
Just make sure your shotguns barrel length is at least 18" measured from the closed breach face to the end of barrel, and it's overall length is at least 26", or you'll be asking for big trouble from the feds.
 
But you see, you gun toating people are missing the whole point because you have your heads in the clouds about the issue of "Your Constitutional Rights". I made myself clear in my last post, I am not against guns or the right to arm yourself. ( Spoken like a true blue NRA spokes person, grow up.)

I just think that most people (Excluding ex-jar heads or military types ) common people, that buy a fire arm to defend themselves would regret actually shooting someone. Its not about protecting your family, there are many ways to stop someone from hurting you, guns dont stop someone, they just kill someone.

Hopefully this will clear the air for the rest of the NRA supporters out there and my statements are clear for the hearing impaired that the quote "rights" are not being violated here. Give me a break! Bang, your dead! LOL!
 
I don't see why I would regret shooting someone when they were threating me or my family. I have two handguns, one was bought for protection when I had a buisness in a very bad area. The other was given to me. I tie up out occasionally and have never brought either one with me. I do however, lock my cabin door and do not leave my overhead hatches open.

OS, if someone had the audacity and was brazen enough to force harm on you, why would you regret (feel bad) defending yourself. IMO - the h*ll with the bast*rd. F with me in that way and he will get what he deserves. Never a second thought.

Also IMO, you may want to be careful profiling military personel
 
I'm glad to see that law abiding citizens in GA have the opportunity to get a CCP. CCWs in California are a different story. Unless you are a member of the "posse" or have someone threatening your life, good luck trying to get one.
 
I sometimes wonder what the outcome would have been if there had been some teachers and/or students at West Virginia armed with a gun when that nut arrived on campus. How many lives would have been saved? We should not have to wait for 911 calls and police to arrive to protect us!

amelia "getting in trouble during a CG-boarding"......all you have to do is declare you have a weapon on board. The Coasties will ask you to bring it topside, unarm it and leave the weapon and ammunition where it is in sight during the inspection.

When I was boarded by the Coasties, they immediately asked me if I had a weapon on board. I responded "only my flare gun" to which they said, "that is not a weapon". Guess they could have been wrong!
 
Hey, Guys-- still wondering, all the tough-guy posturing and talk of inalienable constitutional rights aside, has anybody ever felt threatened enough on a boat to actually pull a gun on somebody?

I'm not asking if you carry a gun. Frankly, I don't care if you carry one or not. How close have you gun people ever come to feeling as if you'd actually have to use it? And have those who don't carry guns aboard, have you ever had cause to regret that decision?

I'm just trying to get a feel for the reality of the risks we take. So far, it seems all very hypothetical.
 
By the way, a little message amelia. Our rights are unalienable, not inalienable (look up the difference) and the fact you don't know, nor are you familiar with what that line actually states speaks volumes about what you believe and the lack of education you base your beliefs on.
 
Wow-- some really interesting and enlightening stuff here folks. I respect everyone's opinions, though I may not agree with them. :-)

I started this post, not because I question my safety in our current boating environment (inland lake, safe area), but because I'm getting married soon and planning to start a family. We are talking about our next boat, maybe something along the lines of a 40-45' aft cabin or CPMY. I feel that with a relatively large boat on our lake, that we will stand out. We all know that there are some angry and bitter criminals out there. I think some are just plain angry at people who appear to have a lot. Boating is quite a luxury and I feel like I would be more of a target with a larger boat.

I don't own a handgun, but freely support ownership. I think there's a pretty good chance that I will end up with one. I feel that with a new wife, a new life, a family starting, and a larger boat, that I will mentally cross the threshold where I want an extra measure of protection.

FWIW--I hope those who don't carry guns do not fervently go after those who do because they disagree.

Thanks all.

Paul
 
I think some of you guys are misunderstanding what Amelia was asking. I guess I was wondering the same thing. Having been on the water in NE for the last 45 years, I have never had an incident, or even heard of an incident where someone boarded an anchored boat and threatened the owners.

Personally, I have no problem with gun ownership, and my politics are definitely not left-leaning. I just never even considered keeping one on the boat.

I suppose if I had never heard of a boat sinking, or never heard of anyone ever drowning, I wouldn't have thought about having a PFD either.

But those things, along with boat fires, are fairly common - hence the fire extinguisher and other safety equipment.

Anchored boats being boarded by someone with bad intentions? I just haven't heard of any cases of that - at least not around here. I suppose if I were regularly traveling through southern waters or the around the Caribbean in a go-fast boat I'd think differently due to drug traffickers.
 
Just because I have never heard of it happening does not mean it cannot happen, we never heard or thought about flying an aircraft into a building before 9-11. I never considered a "home invasion", but just this morning I heard of another one not too far from me. I have never had someone fall off my boat while underway, but we occasionally practice a "man overboard" drill just in case, as well as think out "what if" cases, such as fire on board, etc. Keeping a firearm handy is a personal decision, that is guaranteed to me in the constitution. And by the way, Georgia is not the only state that allows citizens to easily get a CCP, and they are recognised in many other states as well.
 
botom line, I think all of us who have or carry firearms, whether on board, or not, all hope we never, ever have need to use one, period. THat said, threaten our family and we will respond. Problem is that if you need one and don't have one with you, well, you will kind of really wish you had one. If someone breaks into my home or boat I am pretty sure I am going to desire more than my ability to talk my way out of things at that moment!!! Guns do deter people and they protect you against people that they don't deter- I can't imagine feeling guilty for shooting someone trying to harm my family.

This thread is getting close to NBR!!!
 
You can almost tell the "red" states from the "blue" states by their carry permit laws. I had 4 permits in N.J. an almost impossible state to get one. I no longer have one and after 9-11 wish I had never given mine up. The process in N.J. makes it almost impossible for a citizen to obtain a carry permit. They are valid for only 2 years and must be issued by one superior court judge in each county. In another thread I mentioned one of my permit #'s was #8 that should tell you how few are issued in N.J. Regards Bill
 
Makes me extremely happy I am sworn law enforcement and can carry anywhere in the US. My weapon has saved my live on a couple occasions. Carring off duty has prevented atleast one violent run in. I dont leave home without it. It comes on the boat whether at the dock or at anchor. The have been breakins and boats boarded at the marina. I can think of nothing worse than witnessing something like that and not having a firearm to respond to the threat. And I am for as many citizens as possible to carry concealed. I would hope if I was in trouble on the side of the road one night one would be there armed to assist.
 
"But not to offend a gun toating American, that has his god given right to bear arms, I dont think the fathers of our copuntry had any idea what that law would turn in to, after all, back in them days didnt they have muskets? They did not have the ak-47 or the 9 mil. glock semi automatic did they? just something to think about......................"

um, technologically, when considered in context, they did.
 
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Originally posted by Seagrace

"But not to offend a gun toating American, that has his god given right to bear arms, I dont think the fathers of our copuntry had any idea what that law would turn in to, after all, back in them days didnt they have muskets? They did not have the ak-47 or the 9 mil. glock semi automatic did they? just something to think about......................"

um, technologically, when considered in context, they did.

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Thankfully, they did.[:-cowboy][:-cowboy][:-cowboy]
 
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